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Kitsune
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Message 61 of 377 (528982)
10-07-2009 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 5:49 PM


Plate tectonics is a subject for another thread.

You don't get it do you? You deliberately ignore what I say, and misrepresent (to use a polite term) what you yourself said.

From Message 42:

quote:
From appearances the tracks made me think of a big crowd of animals scurrying in every direction.

quote:
Actually, these are ripple marks found at high elevation in the Summervile formation in Utah. Such ripple marks are found at almost any elevation in the world. That is because the flood covered the entire world at one time a few milleniums ago.

You still need to explain how these things were preserved and lithified during the turbulence of the Biblical flood.

As for all fossils being part of the flood layer, please explain why when we look at the fossil record, trilobites are always at the bottom, with dinosaurs above, and humans near the top. Same conversation I'm having with Slevesque. In fact, I would put the same questions to you that I put to him in Message 60.

Please deal with the myriad questions already presented to you and stop posting more pictures. I think admin are going to have to step in because this is getting ridiculous. Again.

Edited by LindaLou, : No reason given.

Edited by LindaLou, : No reason given.


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Calypsis4
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Message 62 of 377 (528984)
10-07-2009 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by JonF
10-07-2009 5:42 PM


Re: Address the evidence please
Erosion.

Erosion is seen at the foot of almost every site one visits. You are missing the point. Gigantic amounts of sediment was transported from one part of this continent to another. Where was the displaced sediment moved and what force could have done it? Local erosion doesn't answer it and you are avoiding the issue.

Notice this split formation I observed in northern Arizona near Monument Valley:

There is several hundred feet between what looks like rock pushed back away from the plateau like so many banana peels. The formation appeared to go north/northeast for about two miles.

It all made me think of the verse in Genesis, "And the fountains of the great deep were broken up." Chapter 7:11. It appears that the rocks that are split from the plateau were divided by underground pressue and pushed away from the precipice. This was not the only set of formations like this that I observed in the southwest USA.


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Calypsis4
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Message 63 of 377 (528985)
10-07-2009 6:08 PM
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10-07-2009 5:59 PM


You still need to explain how these things were preserved and lithified during the turbulence of the Biblical flood.

One must think stereophonically, so-to-speak, about such things. The whole world was not destroyed on the first day of destruction. The timing of things is the key factor but almost impossible nail down with certainty. Perhaps hot rock/ash from early volcanic activity was cooled by changing weather conditions and there you have the lithification.


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Kitsune
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Message 64 of 377 (528986)
10-07-2009 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 5:37 PM


Re: Address the evidence please
quote:
The so-called 'geologic column' exists almost nowhere on earth.

It does actually:
The Geologic Column and its Implications to the Flood

Scroll down and you will see a detailed analysis of the complete geologic column in North Dakota. At the bottom there is a list of 31 other basins in the world in which it is also complete.

Why are some layers missing in other places? Erosion. There are entire mountain ranges that have been uplifted and weathered down to their cores in the earth's geological history. This is difficult for an ex-science teacher to grasp?

I will await answers to my previous questions. Better not hold my breath or I'll asphyxiate.


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Calypsis4
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Message 65 of 377 (528987)
10-07-2009 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Kitsune
10-07-2009 5:59 PM


fossil record, trilobites are always at the bottom

Well, these trilobites were not at the 'bottom'. They were found at high elevation 43 miles west of Delta Utah, approx. 9,655 ft. Even though the specimen was found in cambrian rock there are quite a few human fossil footprints found in the area. So much for the geologic ages.


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Kitsune
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Message 66 of 377 (528988)
10-07-2009 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 6:08 PM


quote:
One must think stereophonically, so-to-speak, about such things. The whole world was not destroyed on the first day of destruction. The timing of things is the key factor but almost impossible nail down with certainty. Perhaps hot rock/ash from early volcanic activity was cooled by changing weather conditions and there you have the lithification.

This doesn't make a lick of sense in the English language.
You're having a whale of a time here aren't you?


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Kitsune
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Message 67 of 377 (528989)
10-07-2009 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 6:18 PM


Cite your source for the trilobite fossil please.

So I'm supposed to take your word for it that human footprints were found in cambrian rock? And your evidence for this is . . . ?

The elevation makes no difference; we're looking at the dates of the rocks, the fossils they contain, and their relative positions.

I'm falling right into this like a sucker aren't I? We need to make this guy stick to one topic or we're going to end up with a 400-post thread in a few hours that contains mostly pretty piccies and raving unsubstantiated creationist nonsense.

Edited by LindaLou, : No reason given.


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ZenMonkey
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Message 68 of 377 (528990)
10-07-2009 6:23 PM
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10-07-2009 6:08 PM


Any explanation of multiple layers of sedimentary rock separated by layers of igneous rock? All laid down in a single event over the course of a year?
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Message 69 of 377 (528991)
10-07-2009 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 2:42 PM


Radiocarbon Dating Topic
You have already been given a good thread to take the dating issues to:
Age Correlations and An Old Earth

So do NOT mention dating here again.


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Message 70 of 377 (528992)
10-07-2009 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 3:51 PM


Dating
as noted:
Age Correlations and An Old Earth

Thank you.

Edited by AdminNosy, : No reason given.


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Calypsis4
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Message 71 of 377 (528993)
10-07-2009 6:28 PM
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10-07-2009 6:23 PM


I'll answer more questions later. I need a rest.
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Theodoric
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Message 72 of 377 (529004)
10-07-2009 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Kitsune
10-07-2009 2:03 PM


Re: A test for Calypsis4
Linda,

The admins have shown that they are going to let him continue his nonsense. Good posters are being punished because they are getting fed up with his bullshit. Creationists get a little too much leeway at times around here. All he has is Gish gallop. He never responds to points refuting his assertions.

There is only one way to deal with him. Ignore him. I am sure he gets a big old woody knowing he is driving people crazy here. He is a troll. How do you deal with a troll? Stop feeding it. I have decide I am not goiing to engage in any threads Calypsis4 starts. It is futile.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 73 of 377 (529005)
10-07-2009 7:34 PM
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10-07-2009 6:18 PM


The Meister print has been debunked for nearly 30 years yet it is still being propogated by the scientific illiterate.

Here is a more close-up view of this natural phenomena where you can see the crack which makes it appear to be a shoe of the heel. However the crack continue off to the left of the pseudo-shoeprint, an impossibility if it were really a shoe/sandel print.

Also this is one print discovered when William J. Meister was rockhunting with his family in Utah broke open a rock slab which opened up like a book and revealed this unique formation. These are not two seperate footprints. Also there is no succession of supposed foot prints one would expect if this truely were someone walking.


"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World


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roxrkool
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Message 74 of 377 (529008)
10-07-2009 8:11 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Calypsis4
10-07-2009 4:49 PM


Re: A test for Calypsis4
lol

That's the Midwest. CA, OR, WA, ID, UT, AZ, etc. do not all look like that.

Weathering and erosion. Simple as that. Erosion over hundreds, thousands, and millions of years. Since you only have 6,000 years, I can see your dilemma.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 75 of 377 (529016)
10-07-2009 9:07 PM
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10-07-2009 6:28 PM


I need a rest.

For definitions of "rest" that include the frantic searching of creationist sites for new diversions, no doubt.

While you're "resting", perhaps you could daydream about my question in post #29, which is still unanswered. Also, since you have had so much time to consider the unspeakably large numbers of animals that must have crowded Noah's prefecture, could you also address the amount of plant matter that must have been growing at the same time in order to account for the observed volume of fossilized plants?

Since explaining the predictions of your hypothesis is integral to the scientific process, and since your hypothesis predicts that all fossilized life existed in a time span shorter than the life of a single really good tree, I just know you must have some numbers on this.

Capt.

Edited by Capt Stormfield, : edit format


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