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Message 316 of 323 (529039)
10-07-2009 11:04 PM

I stand by my claim that evolution frauds have contributed to its acceptance:
I stand by the arguments I have offered on this thread and believe that it is fraudulent science by way of rational common sense deductions, which leads to conclusive evidence that evolution by its very inconsistency, constant redefinitions of its most basic foundational premises, and the unprovable guess work which defines it is absolute and undeniable evidence in my opinion that evolution theory is nothing more than a conglomeration of wishful thinking and imaginings by grown men and women who wish to idealize the secular explanation for how life came to be apart from a creator God. I submit all of the arguments I have posted and stand by them for any future observers who would like to follow my side of the debate.


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Message 317 of 323 (529050)
10-07-2009 11:32 PM

This thread was a fraud
This thread has failed to document a single example of fraud by evolutionary scientists which has led to general public acceptance of the theory of evolution.

Nothing but the usual creationist misrepresentations, refuted thousands of times already, but dusted off and presented once again in an effort to fool the gullible.

Creation "science" as usual.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 318 of 323 (529058)
10-08-2009 2:59 AM

No Coyote, this thread is a joke
I concur with Coyote. This thread utterly failed to cite a single instance of fraud by the actual definition. Archangel's definition of fraud is clearly that of mistake. Furthermore, the arguments given of mistakes do not support the premise that they have contributed to evolution's acceptance. Many people here didn't even know of the several of the alleged "frauds."

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Message 319 of 323 (529085)
10-08-2009 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 316 by Archangel
10-07-2009 11:04 PM

Re: I stand by my claim that evolution frauds have contributed to its acceptance:
Archy had no "arguments" that stood up to even a cursory examination.

His inability to even get one (Orce man) of those arguments to stick led to an even heavier drubbing from RAZD to merely hulk in shadow, unused.

I personally wish we could have got beyond the first example, because the next salvo would've been a doozy.

No fraud. case closed.

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Message 320 of 323 (529232)
10-08-2009 5:01 PM

Fraudulent? My Orce...
So what is the "Orce cookie"? I dunno. Maybe it's a human, maybe it's an equine. I just don't have enough info to form any kind of meaningful opinion on the matter.

Archangel on the other hand, seems to know with absolute certainty that it is a horse. Not only that, he specifically knows that it is a donkey and not any other kind of horse. How does he know and what makes him so sure?

The donkey claim seems to originate with Duane Gish. A cynic might suggest that Gish, ever the showman, used this slight exaggeration for effect, since "donkey" is a funny word (K's are funny) and because suggesting that evo's can't tell a human from a donkey sounds that little bit more damning. In fact,since I am a cynic, that's what I am suggesting; Gish just made it up as a rhetorical flourish (AKA: lie).

What I find odd is Archangel's weird insistence that it is definitely a donkey. He seems to be completely certain of this, even to the point of accusing others of being part of a conspiracy to delete the truth from the face of the internet. It's almost as though Archangel attaches the same authority to any creationist claim as he ascribes to the Bible. His certainty makes me wonder if he regards biblical infallibility as extending to the whole of creationist output.

In summary, no-one gives a shit about Orce Man other than creationists. Almost no-one has heard of it. A Google-search for the term only throws up about seven thousand results. That's very low. The first page is predominantly creationist pages. Of the other three, two are from TalkOrigins, debunking the creationists.

The fact that only creationists seem to care about Orce Man fatally undermines Archangel's claim that it has been used to promote the ToE. Nor is there any evidence of fraud here, other than the silly and fraudulent creationist web page that is cited in the OP. Sadly, it is a fraud that Archangel seems to have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

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Message 321 of 323 (529240)
10-08-2009 5:12 PM

The next attempt
I believe I have been generous in allowing Calypsis4 to open new threads. He has misused that and I, for one, will work harder on focusing him next time. He is a bit time consuming.

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Message 322 of 323 (529299)
10-08-2009 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 321 by AdminNosy
10-08-2009 5:12 PM

hidden posts - can they be unhidden now?
If the topic is going to be closed, then I think it is fair to unhide the topics that were hidden in order to force the focus on Orce Man, especially when the posts are not off topic for the general thread.

It is possible to read the hidden posts, but you don't get to see the images, which are a part of the argument/s.

(perhaps Percy could have a "view post" similar to the preview function for hidden posts)


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Message 323 of 323 (529307)
10-08-2009 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by RAZD
10-08-2009 7:03 PM

Re: hidden posts - can they be unhidden now?
Unhiden, I think I got them all.

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