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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5241 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Sounds fair. Please post a serious post dealing with a serious subject. It would be a nice change Coyote, you blew it. I will say again what I said last night: we are talking about the evidence for the most important event in the history of mankind (the death of Christ on the cross) which is born up by a multitude of evidences, historical testimonies, and natural phenomena that occurred as was foretold, but you treat the subject like trash. By the way: This is October 10, 2009 A.D. What does 'A.D.' stand for? For that matter what does 'B.C.' stand for? You no longer exist as far as I am concerned. "The fool hath said in his heart, 'there is no god'."
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5222 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
So either behave at least like a semi-professional or don't even bother. But I'm not a semi-professional...
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5222 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Calypsis,
we are talking about the evidence for the most important event in the history of mankind (the death of Christ on the cross) which is born up by a multitude of evidences, historical testimonies, and natural phenomena that occurred as was foretold, but you treat the subject like trash. Just to be clear, are you saying there was a lunar or solar eclipse in AD33? And what is your evidence that Jesus died in AD33? Mark Edited by mark24, : No reason given. There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5241 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Just to be clear, are you saying there was a lunar or solar eclipse in AD33? You're right. You're not only not a 'semi-professionl' but you haven't learned to read carefully yet. Go back and read the topic post for your answer.
And what is your evidence that Jesus died in AD33? Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps it was based on the birth of Madylyn Murray O'Hare? Bye.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
By the way: This is October 10, 2009 A.D. What does 'A.D.' stand for? For that matter what does 'B.C.' stand for? What they do not stand for is the correct number of years since the alleged birth of Christ. That the dates are off by a small number of years has been know for a long time.
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DevilsAdvocate Member (Idle past 3129 days) Posts: 1548 Joined:
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Calypsis writes: By the way: This is October 10, 2009 A.D. What does 'A.D.' stand for? For that matter what does 'B.C.' stand for? And the days of the week and months of the year are named after old Norse, Germanic and Greco-Roman gods and goddesses. What is your point? Just because we use the terms BC (Before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini) as adopted from the Gregorian calendar does not prove the existence of Jesus Christ any more than our adoption of the days of the week and months of the year prove the existence of the Greco-Roman and Germanic/Norse pantheon of gods and goddesses. Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given. "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Well that's a book ruined for me now!
Makes you wonder why people read it more than once if you know what happens, neh?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
There was a partial lunar eclipse visible mostly from the Atlantic Ocean during Passover 33AD.
And 32AD (A total lunar eclipse visible from the Middle east) And 31AD (partial visible from Pacific Ocean) And 34AD (Penumbral/Pacific) And 42AD (partial/middle east)* Of course - a partial lunar eclipse during Passover isn't remotely miraculous being as it always falls on a full moon. A solar eclipse would have been far more interesting! *Eclipse data Easter calculator† †Calculations for these dates may be slightly inaccurate.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4217 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Coyote, you blew it. I will say again what I said last night: we are talking about the evidence for the most important event in the history of mankind (the death of Christ on the cross) Maybe for Christians but not for Jews, Muslems, Buddhists, Hindus, Confucianists Taoists Shintoists, animists, atheists or those holding any other belief. There is not even a total belief , even among Christians, as to when your alleged savior was crucified. There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5222 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Calypsis,
You're right. You're not only not a 'semi-professionl' but you haven't learned to read carefully yet. Go back and read the topic post for your answer. Well, I did, you seem to be talking about both. So please confirm which, or indeed both. Anyway, what's professionalism got to do with your OP's ambiguity?
Perhaps it was based on the birth of Madylyn Murray O'Hare? Makes no sense to me, please can you elaborate on why this is evidence of Jesus' death being in AD33, or whenever? A more professional answer please, at least try to meet your own standards. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Cal, what sort of event caused this darkening of the sun in 33 AD? I don't regard "the will of God" as much of an answer. You're welcome to use that as a part of your answer, but please, oh please, gimme a plausible physical mechanism if you have one.
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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anglagard Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
When it comes to solar, here is the nearest I can find to any Passover of 33 AD.
NASA - Total Solar Eclipse of 29 November 24 At November 24, 29 AD it is off by four years, off by 9 months, off by around 300km. Still interestingly close, provided no declaration of personal infallibility and/or absolute literalism in Biblical interpretation. {Personal note: although this thread is from Calypsis 4 and I stated I would not engage in any thread in which he/she/it was involved, I hereby revise such a declaration as premature when concerning statements that may add to the debate when concerning possibly overlooked matters of fact and if addressed to other members. As to Calypsis 4 or any other poop-flingers, I'm sure other more interested parties can handle that better than I am prepared to do as I am tired of making my contributions to this forum too negative for my personal taste.} The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5222 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Thanks, anglagard, just wondering what all the sky darkening is in the OP.
There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Actually the correct way of dating now is CE and BCE. Since the dating actually does not coincide with anything the terms AD and BC have fallen out of favour.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5241 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
When it comes to solar, here is the nearest I can find to any Passover of 33 AD. Anglagard, you just made a fool of yourself. It appears that you didn’t even bother to check out the source I provided at the end of the topic post. I said nothing about a solar eclipse and your date of Nov. 24, A.D. 29 is four years off. But since you didn’t notice it then let me lead you by the hand to the place where NASA notes the date of the death of Christ on the (gasp!) lunar eclipse of April 3, A.D. 33. NASA - Lunar Eclipses of History Now if you will just take the time to scroll down to the second section of dates as it concerns the period A.D. you will find on the second notation 0033 Apr 03 as it concerns the crucifixion of Christ. It helps if skeptics like you would give more than a cursory examination of the facts that are given them by Christians, but of course I understand your prejudice against what we believe in and it hurts you to discover substantive truth as it regards scripture. Nonetheless I provided in the O.P. documentation of the foretelling of the event by the prophets, the natural phenomena that occurred on that day as observed by those who saw it, the confirmation of historians who were contemporary with Christ at that time, and the computer analysis from NASA that the lunar eclipse happened on the day appointed. That, my skeptical counterpart, is four lines of evidence. There aren’t many historical events in the history of the world that have that many sources of confirmation.
As to Calypsis 4 or any other poop-flingers I get you. Don't post me again, fella.
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