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petrophysics1
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Message 22 of 562 (524941)
09-20-2009 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by RAZD
09-19-2009 8:35 PM


Re: still no evidence?
OK RAZD,

This doesn't seem that difficult to understand.

Position A: There was a worldwide flood 4000 years ago.

Position B: There was NOT a worldwide flood 4000 years ago.

Position C: I actually don't know, because I don't know enough about geology ( I am not qualified to peer review geologic papers.)

C is not required to do anything, but you are correct both A and B must provide evidence of their claims.

Often we see people take position A or B when they should actually be in C. Maybe it's just me but I don't see a big difference between someone who read there was a flood and someone who read there wasn't one. Both look like you are just believing what someone else told you.

Edited by petrophysics1, : typo

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petrophysics1
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Message 453 of 562 (528075)
10-04-2009 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 451 by RAZD
10-03-2009 4:17 PM


Facing reality, atheism is a belief
Hi RAZD,

Boy RAZD seems like there is a lot of confusion here. Basically that is because we are dealing with a belief here. You get a lot of “I don’t know what you are talking about”, when you come right up against a belief. Evidence is all we need and then there is no confusion.

Now I’ve known that I and all people have beliefs, or if you will faith.

Faith is a belief without proof, without objective verifiable evidence.

I have two sons, like all the other males in the world I have NO objective verifiable evidence they are biologically mine. I operate under the belief they are, based upon my wife’s word that this is true and a very subjective opinion that they resemble me. This does not rise to the level of ‘objective verifiable evidence”. It is a belief/faith.

I also have a mother and father. In 60 years here, I have no “objective verifiable evidence” that they are in fact my biological parents. Yet, I operate a large part of my life assuming this is true as with my sons.

Facing reality, understanding you have faith/beliefs means you understand what you and other people are doing. If you think you have faith/belief in nothing without “objective verifiable evidence” (a common atheist theme here) you are living in a delusion.

You do not get to demand “objective verifiable evidence” of the deist or theist while in your own life you have faith/beliefs and can not provide “objective verifiable evidence” of these beliefs, or for that matter that god does not exist. You do not get to claim these people are irrational or delusional for you are doing the exact same thing they are. I have no problem with this. I do have a problem with atheist’s claiming they are superior to everyone else because they are under the delusion they believe NOTHING without “objective verifiable evidence”.

So atheists, show me you believe nothing. Give me the “objective verifiable evidence” that you are biologically related to both your parents and to your children. Same standards of evidence required of deists and theists by you for god’s existence.

RAZD,
Thanks, until you asked for proof/evidence in your OP for the atheist position and received 452 replies WITH NO EVIDENCE.

It made me realize atheism is a belief, just like deism or theism.

Thanks, I needed that

Marty (petrophysics) a fellow deist…..don’t believe a word I say……look for yourself and see what you find!


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petrophysics1
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Message 455 of 562 (528086)
10-04-2009 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 454 by Modulous
10-04-2009 11:35 AM


Re: Facing reality, atheism is a belief
I believe a lot of things. I just don't believe that a god exists.

No problem, just provide me with the evidence why this is so.

453 posts with NO EVIDENCE, atheism is a BELIEF

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Edited by petrophysics1, : figuring out quote


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petrophysics1
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Message 557 of 562 (531390)
10-17-2009 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by bluegenes
10-17-2009 10:28 AM


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Sure, nothing to do early in the morning, but show how stupid some things are.

Content hidden.

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Hiding member drool.


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