Electro-mechanical engines of Perpetual Motion and Natural Selection

While responding to w_fortenberry's advocacy for a geocentric solar system I once rhetorically asked why it was always the Creationists with the weird positions, but apparently Creationists have no such monopoly. Cresswell here apparently advocates Darwinian natural selection *and* abandonment of the laws of thermodynamics.Alan, we'll believe you're on to something when you've made your first billion in the power generation industry.--Percy

I'm proposing that you generate something besides hot air and insults. If you are correct then you should have no problem constructing practical devices illustrating your principles, for example by building power plants that generate cheap power and make you billions of dollars.--Percy

Here in NH it is snowing heavily and the forecast is for 10-20". This is what the weather service says about tomorrow: The height of my snowblower is 20", you do the math!--Percy

Hi Alan!That would be off topic for this thread, but I'd be glad to respond if you want to post to that thread. I vaguely remember it, but not the title.--Pecy

I'm curious, how do you get units of velocity from the RMS of a wave?--Percy

Hi, Alan Cresswell. Welcome back!There are a few questions still left open from your last visit in February. Perhaps you could respond to these before discussing your new information. Some open questions revealed by a quick perusal:

• How can you equate heat with energy? (Dr. Cresswell)
• How do you get units of velocity from the RMS of a wave? (me)
• Aren't you confusing Newtonian mechanics with quantum mechanics? (Dr. Cresswell)
• Why are you here? Why aren't you instead building a demonstration unit, gathering investors, and making billions? (everyone)

If I could be forgiven for slipping briefly into admin mode, when I reviewed this thread I was dismayed at some of the conduct. Please, everyone, follow the Forum Guidelines, particularly rule 3:

3. Respect for others is the rule here. Argue the position, not the person. The Britannica says, "Usually, in a well-conducted debate, speakers are either emotionally uncommitted or can preserve sufficient detachment to maintain a coolly academic approach."

Comments of a personal nature would seem unnecessary in a discussion of perpetual motion machines. I won't single anyone out at this time (the downside of this lack of specificity is that it always draws emails from people saying it couldn't possibly have been them), but hopefully you can figure out who you are so you can avoid a suspension/reinstatement cycle. I'm issuing this warning up front because I'm going to be pretty quick on the trigger.--Percy

Hi Alan Cresswell, I think you've got a units problem. Energy and heat are essentially the same thing, usually measured in ergs or BTUS or calories or joules (newton-meters). Power, on the other hand, is energy per unit time. Since energy is, for example, newton-meters while power is newton-meters/time, you cannot directly equate the two.Back in Message 35 you said: And now you provide a little more information: Sine waves are not measured in m/s, so the RMS of a sine wave does not yield units of m/s. Sine waves have frequency, measured in cycles/sec, and wavelength, measured in meters/cycle, and we know this equation holds: But I can't tell what point you're trying to make, and you appear to have another units problem. Ignore the money part of the question. Have you built a demonstration device? If not, why not?--Percy

Hi Alan Cresswell,Since you didn't quote what you were replying to, and since you replied very briefly, it was difficult to tell how your reply related to the points of my previous message. Doing the best I can: I think this is a reply to my comment about energy and power being different concepts with different units. Remember, you said this in Message 56: You can't equate heat and power. They are two different concepts. One is energy, the other is energy per unit time.Moving on: I can't tell what this is a reply to.Moving on: Okay, but are you sure you're saying the same thing as what I was asking about, where you said this in Message 56: This doesn't sound at all right, because it means you're saying this: Substituting values for λ and ƒ for red light: Which is not equal to 3 x 10⁸ meters/second, so your equation fails.--Percy [Fix math typo. --Percy][This message has been edited by Percipient, 09-01-2003]

Actually, if we're talking about a vacuum, the value doesn't shift at all. The relationship of ƒλ = c always holds.I'm still trying to decipher your meaning from when you said this in Message 56: You can't equate heat and power. They are two different concepts. One is energy, the other is energy per unit time.Then, of course, there's the question of how these potential errors affect your conceptual framework regarding perpetual motion.You say you have a demonstration device. Could you provide us pictures of your experimental setup, and describe how you're measuring the inputs and outputs?--Percy

Hi Alan,Thank you for the drawings, but what I'm more interested in is pictures of your prototype in operation, and descriptions of how you're measuring the inputs and outputs of the device.Additionally, I'm still interested in knowing how you think the problems regarding RMS of a wave and the units of heat and power impact your calculations.--Percy

If you're waiting for replies, I think the ball might be in your court. You haven't replied to these recent messages: --Percy

Hi Alan,Since you aren't interested in money yourself, do you mind if I take your designs and apply for the US patents? And if I sent you my snailmail address, could you send me a working model?--Percy

I don't know if Alan Cresswell will visit again, but this most recent visit reinforces a couple of my opinions:

1. The issue of perpetual motion machines, as well as those of a flat earth and other unusual beliefs, are ones of psychology rather than science.
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2. Some Creationists hold their beliefs in such a way as to fit neatly into this category, some don't.

I'm reminded of a description I once read of a man who believed he was Napolean. Naturally he lived in the 19th century, so this story is a bit old, and it comes from the days before modern psychology, but even so the doctors understood that he was operating under a delusion. They believed that if the man were confronted with reality that he might snap out of it, so they brought in his family. The man knew his mother and father and his sister, and he remembered growing up with his family, and indeed even the days leading up to his hospitalization, but this didn't at all shake his conviction that he was Napolean. He held this belief irrationally and steadfastly in the face of all evidence to the contrary, including demonstrating to him that he really didn't know that much about Napolean's actual life.Alan Cresswell seems cut from the same mold. I think that had we engaged him in a more dismissive and mocking way that he would still be here, and it was only when we began focusing on the details of his claims that he picked up his toys and left, taking yet one more parting shot, though we know from his own statements that he never mixes it up on discussion boards! --Percy

You've already been proven wrong - you can't even keep your units straight. This has been noted several times, most recently by Eta Carinae in Message 112.We're all just on the edge of our seats awaiting the public demonstration of your machines. By the way, this guy who offered to publicize your ideas, he didn't ask you for any money, did he? If you gave him money that would be just too precious for words - one flim-flam artist taken by another!--Percy

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