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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
First of all thank you and congratulations on having the courage to offer a straight answer. What a strange sentence. It is evident from reading this thread that the essential prerequisite was not "courage", but for you to finally add a grain of definite meaning to your hopeless foggy stew of shifty evasion.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
According to one researcher (and I don't know if he's right or wrong, but the maths is pretty simple so he's probably right) the size of the functional, non-reduntant genome has increased by 7.8 fold every billion years. Concentrating on the "functional, non-redundant" part, I'd like to know by which process(es) this was achieved. It's called "evolution". Perhaps you would like to refine your question until it is not a vague slush of incomprehension. Or perhaps you would not.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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How can the person first posing the question be guilty of evasion? When his question is devoid of meaning, and when he runs away from explaining what he means it to mean.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
This is horizontal gene transfer (HGT) ... If you learned more about genetics you would make less stuff up.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The problem with gene duplication as a path to increased genomic complexity is that in some ways the phenomenum is its own worst enemy. When a gene duplicates its susceptibility to natural selection is (roughly) halved. A deleterious mutation to one copy is compensated for by the other copy, rather than being selected out. This results in rapid "subfunctionalisation", with two damaged genes doing the work of the undamaged original. This means that the two subfunctionalised copies are actually constrained to their tasks (assuming the original gene was a vital one) and neither of them actually have the luxury of evolving into something novel. When I read gibberish like this, I thoroughly understand why geneticists think that creationists are stupid and wrong.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Doesn't it sound triumphant? Can't you see Charlie standing there, jut-jawed and resolute, beating back the hordes of bleating Creationists? Unfortunately, the paragraph finishes:
However, it is now clear that the mammary gland did not evolve from a brood pouch [1]. Laugh! Yes, after 150 years of research scientists know more about biology than Charles Darwin did. This is because scientists can find stuff out. They also think that creationists are a bunch of shambling halfwits, and that creationism is a load of driveling crap. This is because scientists can find stuff out.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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So Darwin was right? And the evolutionist scientist I quoted was wrong? Mmm ... was an evolutionist right, or was an evolutionist right? This is a serious question that we all must ponder. I'm going to guess that an evolutionist was right. I have found that this is the way to bet.
And must therefore, logically, argue against common ancestry for those marine mammals. That is an interesting use of the word "logically". I'm going to giggle about it repeatedly over the coming hours.
What fossil records "suggest" is that caseins were present. That they were present in mammary secretion is pure conjecture ... If the fossil record suggests something, then it is not pure conjecture. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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No, it's standard evolution style. It would be an embarrassment to any other field of science. Could I once again point out that your habit of making up crazy lies in your head vitiates your arguments.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Interesting ... even Kaichos Man's signature is a fraud.
I guess his idea is that even if, by accident, everything in the main body of his post happens to be true, then he'll still manage to post something dishonest.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Percy, it's not a request, it's an explanation. You accused me of "playing dumb" ... It's worse then that. You're not "playing dumb", you're being willfully dumb. Consider, for example, all the nonsense you've spewed out about Kimura. You could have stopped all this nonsense by reading what Kimura wrote. It's not some esoteric secret, his writings are out there, they are publicly available. You could read them. And then you would know something about this subject about which you keep puking up garbage on our shoes.
But you choose not to do so. You prefer to talk crap about some subject that you could easily learn about, such that you could stop talking crap about it. But you choose not to do so. You prefer to be ignorant of what Kimura wrote, because your gross drooling ignorance of what he wrote allows you to go on talking crap about it. This is creationism in a nutshell. So long as you can keep on being totally ignorant about the subject that you're discussing, then your conscience allows you to go on talking crap about it. If you never look at reality, then you need never admit even to yourself that what you're saying is a lie. But your opponents have looked at reality. We're not afraid. This is why we find your falsehoods so utterly contemptible. For example, I have read what Kimura wrote. Unlike grovelling creationist halfwits, I am not afraid to read what he actually said. This is why I think that you're stupid at best and a liar at worst.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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I asked you (and Coyote, I think) to explain how the genome can evolve by one method and the phenotype by another. Good grief, did you really? That's very funny, but you will never understand why.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Let me know when you've finished arguing with yourself. Oh, for heaven's sake. When one observes such gross, shambling stupidity as yours, it is hard not to conclude that it is deliberate. Tell me, when you can't think of something really incredibly stupid to say, do you beat yourself over the head with a brick until you start to bleed into your brain and you can be sufficiently stupid by virtue of actual brain damage? You are a master of stupidity. Is there even one true proposition in the entire universe so simple, clear and obvious that you couldn't misunderstand it given your boundless ignorance and a large brick?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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It therefore made sense to Kimura that the only place the variation needed by evolution could take place was in the junk DNA. But of course he said no such thing, as you would know if you'd ever read what he wrote instead of making up crazy shit about it.
This means the highly-complex genetic structures required as new genomic information have to be built by random mutation alone. And all the breath-taking improbabilities we Creationists like to deal in are suddenly operative. A simpler lie would have sufficed just as well as a starting point for the standard fatuous creationist drivel about "breath-taking improbabilities". Why weave Kimura into your web of deceit? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Guilty. I should have said "principal" rather than "only". No, you'd still have been lying about Kimura's views. It would have been a smaller lie, but a lie nonetheless.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Significant? Nonexistent.
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