Obama is full of it

I apologize for lumping a group of people together. I didn't mean to come across that way.

I never implied or suggested that.If someone ran me over with a car, should I sue the car manufacture? Please, if we train ppl to defend themselves, and then they use it for wrong purposes, the blame rest solely on them. Those kind of actions based have been going on for a long time over there. That same group of nuts are most likely tree huggers, and anti-war type people. They most likely would us out of the war, yet want basic human rights at the same time. That is just not true. The Taliban was in power, and were giving safe harbor to Al-Queda, and when the ISAF invaded it was 64,500 troops and 42 countries involved. Not "Bush". I will never forget.

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There have been multiple accounts of human rights violations in Afghanistan. The fallout of the U.S. led invasion, including a resurgence in Taliban forces, record-high drug production, and re-armed warlords, has led to a threat to the well-being and rights of hundreds of thousands of innocent Afghan citizens, according to Human Rights Watch.

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War in Afghanistan (2001—2021) - Wikipedia

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The war has been less successful in achieving the goal of restricting al-Qaeda's movement than anticipated. Since 2006, Afghanistan has seen threats to its stability from increased Taliban-led insurgent activity, record-high levels of illegal drug production, and a fragile government with limited control outside of Kabul.

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Um, I would want a foreign force invading if they could secure my rights as an individual, and secure my freedom. Not only that I would join with them in a heart beat. Why do you think America was started in the first place? What you are saying is just not true, and you need to back up your claims.

Well if they were doing that, I might not have a problem with it, if it were for valid reasons, which I am certain that the Taliban thinks they are valid. It would be hypocritical. But they are not doing that, they are taking our training and using it to violate basic human rights. The rest of the world probably agrees, as you can read in the links provided. They are terrorizing their own people. These same people tend to be human rights activists as well. I have yet to read that anywhere, or see that on TV. What I have seen are human beings who want to be free, and are scared for their lives unless they conform to the Taliban radical way of thinking.I can't believe that people who so vigorously speak out against radicals seem to be supporting them now. I guess if it's not happening here, it's not your problem? Let's just blow up the UN, we don't need it. The American haters will never bother us if we just leave them alone, and oh yea, get out Israel.Agreed. Then other countries like Pakistan wonder why we are reluctant to give them the technology they need to "fight terrorism".

In all reality, this is what I waited to see, and I am still waiting to see. I had always felt that Bush turned into a babbling idiot, as far as his ability to speak in public forums, but I did tend to think that he was acting on the best interest of our country, and not some silly selfish self serving biased opinion of his.The only way we could find this out really, was to wait and see what Obama does. I had a feeling that once Obama got into office, and learned all the military secrets, and thinks about the economy, and other stuff really got put into perspective for him, he would have no choice but to follow suit. Any rational minded person with his best interest in the country would.Keep in mind that this doesn't mean everything thing they do as President, but most things. so far it's status quo, so that leads me to believe that Bush was doing the right thing, according to our best intelligence, the good of the common people, and principals of our nation.The war is necessary, and Obama would have a hard time coming out and admitting it, cause he would have to explain too many things, that the government feels the common people should just not know.comic relief:
Welcome to the real world asshole! (quote from digital shorts)
I threw it on the ground.

We cared, your right it was always a human rights issue. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, he crossed a line and we could step in, the whole entire world should step in and not tolerate such behavior. Isn't that what the UN is supposed to be about? When the Russians violated the Afghans human rights we stepped in again, it was the right thing to do. MAybe once they found out they had to be friends with us, they went against us. They hate us for who we are, period. All for religious principals.But they are not using our weapons against us, and we are always one step ahead of the game. That is the business of war. They are using Iranian weapons, and Russian weapons, and what ever they can get their hands on now, as there stock dwindles, and weapons become harder and harder to get. I am sure we are not supplying them anymore. I know they still get American weapons, and had them, but we don't willfully supply them. AK-47 is not an American weapon, the most common weapon over there.
The Times & The Sunday Times
Page Not Found - Inter Press Service | Inter Press ServiceEither way, it was completely their way of life that lead them to war with us, regardless of where they get their weapons from. If we were truly trying to help them in a human rights violations issue from the Russians, then I do not have a problem with that. If they turn against us for whatever reason, then the problem starts.Every time I have these conversations, and think about it in my head, I always think of the prime directive from star trek. And these third world countries that use any excuses to make war are less advanced than us, maybe we should have a prime directive, and not give them technology. But that thought in itself causes war. Yea, but I have 2 problems with that. One the Taliban not only has to stop fighting with them, they have to stop fighting with us. #2 is they cannot harbor terrorists, and if the Afghan people are for that, then they are harboring terrorists as well. Problem is not solved. I am sure this violates some UN treaty.Regardless, there is still a great number of Afghan people who are having their basic human rights violated by the Taliban. Majority does not rule in this case. That would be an asinine view. Not really, they are caught completely in the middle. As I pointed out, these are people that do not stick to sides, but change sides as the battle front moves. They don't retreat, they just switch sides. I highly doubt that the rational thinkers of Afghanistan are the ones so willing to break. Again, the prime directive comes to mind. It's a touchy situation, but one that cannot continue, no matter how small the group of people who are getting violated. If a group of people cry out for help, then it is up to the UN to do something about it. Unfortunately, it is always us and Britain mostly stepping up to the plate. I don't have a problem with that either. I believe in basic human rights, and in freedom to choose. Whether it is here or abroad. There is no such thing as hiding our eyes anymore. These people hate us, and if we let them grow, then they will attack again, and they will hurt innocent people, people that tend to think like us.The liberals preach about science and technology, and logic, and "the right thing to do" Except when a conservative starts it. Hypocrites. It's a necessary evil IMO. One that I even considered fighting for, but my time is over, I am too old.I mean you don't think that people who think like the terrorists of 9/11 need to be eradicated? People who slaughter innocent women and children? People who put innocent children to war, as soldiers?With awesome power comes awesome responsibility. People like that are not ready to be in power. Reality sets in.

I do not exclusively think we should be their for humanitarian reasons. We are there to destroy Al-Queda, our enemy. IMO any country that harbors terrorists, should be attacked. We don't allow it here, and other countries should not tolerate or allow it there. I mean for-real, what do you think would happen if we harbored people who were terrorizing Russia, or North Korea? We'd be at war instantly.#2, what do you think would happen if we pull out of Afghanistan?
Really, would the human rights issues stop? Would harboring of terrorists stop? I think not. Even Obama said we need to focus there more in his campaign. Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

I agree with everything you said except this one. It took way longer than eight years, and it was the fault of just about everyone, including people outside this nation.Things are bad in many ways. I don't expect any President to get us out of where we are. It's entirely possible that it is not up to the government to save us from ourselves.That's pretty tough to happen in dictatorships, and in countries where extremeist take control and murder innocent women and children.Reminds me what the KGB used do my Russian friend back when he lived there, and his photography business go to successful. As he approached middle class, the KGB would just walk in and take half.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.