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Larni Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Hi Mike, welcome to the fray!
Intelligent design can be presented without religion. The problem actually starts here because without the special pleading that religion assumes you are stuck with the problem of infinite regression. So the class is even shorter because it can't get past this issue unless it invokes a bootstrapping supernatural entity.
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MikeDeich Junior Member (Idle past 4549 days) Posts: 24 From: Rosario, Argentina Joined: |
Thanks for the welcome, Im glad to have discovered this site. I certainly agree that teaching ID in schools would ultimately lead to the bottom line of infinite regression, but thats where it ends. Certainly ID supporters want this to somehow "prove" the supernatural source. This doesnt necessarily have to support any religion. I see faith in a god & faith in a religion as completely different, just my opinion. I guess I just feel that giving a little lip service for the sake of equal treatment, would shut up hard line creationists.....but then again giving an inch & they try to take a mile could be a likely scenario.
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Kitsune Member (Idle past 4290 days) Posts: 788 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
I wonder if anyone here knows what the contemporary UK science curriculum is like?
I became quite concerned about a year ago when I had my English students analyse adverts in groups. I gave one group an ad with a picture of a monkey and a washing machine, and it was claiming that the washing machine had "evolved" into a better model. The group didn't get it, and we're talking 16-year-olds here. "Evolution? Oh yeah, I think I've heard that word somewhere before . . ." Edited by Kitsune, : No reason given. former username "LindaLou"
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Jumped Up Chimpanzee Member (Idle past 4932 days) Posts: 572 From: UK Joined: |
Hi LindaLou
That's interesting but doesn't really surprise me. Mind you, I'd be impressed if there is any teaching of Evolution in schools? Is it meant to be part of the curriculum? I left school in the 80s and I'm quite sure that the subject of Evolution was never covered at all. I'd heard of it, but only had the most basic and partly incorrect understanding of the subject.
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Jumped Up Chimpanzee Member (Idle past 4932 days) Posts: 572 From: UK Joined: |
Hi Mike
Thanks for your reply. I largely agree with you. I'm all in favour of children being presented with alternative theories and encouraged to think for themselves, as long as it's in the right class.
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Kitsune Member (Idle past 4290 days) Posts: 788 From: Leicester, UK Joined: |
I can't remember studying evolution in my American high school either. This really needs to change because it's how ignorance is perpetuated, which makes it easier for creationists to get people to believe their nonsense. So much for it being rammed down children's throats in school as they usually claim, eh?
Edited by Kitsune, : No reason given. former username "LindaLou"
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Jumped Up Chimpanzee Member (Idle past 4932 days) Posts: 572 From: UK Joined: |
Too right!
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Larni Member (Idle past 154 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I did A level biology (twice!) and I can't remember being taught evolution.
I learned most about it in A level psychology and (believe it or not) this very site. So I agree; it's not like it's being rammed down our throats. Edited by Larni, : added title
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1015 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
It was about 8 years ago since I studied biology in school, but I remember the coverage of evolution being cursory at best. As far as I recall it consisted of a brief explanation of natural selection, supported by the example of melanistic moths. The words 'homology' and 'analogy' were explained and we all looked at pictures of pentadactyl limbs in bats, humans, dolphins and a couple of other animals. Then we saw some 19th century cartoons of Darwin and talked about his explanation for the evolution of the eye.
My memory might be clouded by distance, but that was it as far as I can recall. To make things worse, you have options as to where to focus your study once you reach the age of 14 in the UK. I was doing the 'seperate sciences' curriculum, which meant my biology course was more detailed than that of most students. After writing this, I read around the internet a bit, and it seems that a new science curriculum was implemented in 2006. Anyone here just finished school in the UK or teach science there?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I'm all in favour of children being presented with alternative theories and encouraged to think for themselves, as long as it's in the right class. I can't think of any creationists/IDists who would allow this. That's the problem with the whole thing: for us, it's all or none. For the creationists/IDists, they don't want their children being "brainwashed" with other religions (I see this firsthand with my girlfriend). Edited by hooah212002, : sig not showing up.... Edited by hooah212002, : changed "christians" to "creationists/IDists". Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan
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Jumped Up Chimpanzee Member (Idle past 4932 days) Posts: 572 From: UK Joined: |
Hi Hooah
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the whole world could agree to free one generation from being brainwashed with the religion of their parents. "You may say I'm a dreamer ..."
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the whole world could agree to free one generation from being brainwashed with the religion of their parents. Indeed it would, indeed it would. Some day, we shall find solidarity in such things. Just not in MY lifetime, I'm afraid.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1015 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
I can't think of any christians who would allow this. I can. My Christian parents, both different types of Christians, had no problem exposing me to a variety of world views. My Catholic school, where I was taught secular biology by an atheist, also once invited a creationist nutter in to talk to us in 6th form. Is every Christian you've ever met living in a little fundamentalist community out in the desert somewhere?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 792 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Does the average, run-of-the-mill christian fight for ID or creationism to be taught in school?
Maybe I should have rephrased it, but I didn't think every point ever made had to be rehashed in every post.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1015 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
It's not rehashing every point ever made - it's just a matter of your post not being utter nonsense. Using 'Christian' when you mean 'creationist' or something similar isn't convenient shorthand - it's just wrong. It's annoying and misleading when creationists randomly substitute 'atheist', 'scientist' and 'evolutionist' for one another, and it's equally as annoying and misleading when anybody else uses 'Chrisitan' and 'creationist' interchangably.
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