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Topic: How do I deal with a creationist family member?
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Buzsaw
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hooah... writes: My problem is that, to me, she is forcing her views on the kids without respect for mine. The discussion started with her "request" for her friend, whom I have only met once, to be their godmother. Hi Ho... 1. Above, your message quote = She is forcing her views on the kids. 2. Below, your quote from the OP = You are forcing your views on the kids.
ho....'s OP statement writes: Diversity is good. however, when I said that i would show and teach them "my" way, she flipped and told me she won't allow me to "poison" them. Problem = the kids. Strategy (no easy solution, given the circumstances)= You present this message to your woman. Propose to agree that each of you allow the other to proselyte the respective POVs to the kids in private with the kids, but not in family debate. Then allow the chips to fall where the kids let them fall. Four possible results = 1. Your wife's prayers and POV will ultimately prevail. 2. Your POV will eventually prevail. 3. Neither of your POVs will prevail. 4. A conglomeration of POVs will prevail, i.e. agnosticism, etc. My prayers will go up for your and yours, beginning tonight, that you will all ultimately come to the knowledge of the truth. 
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw
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Hi again, Hooah. Please accept my apologies for the offense. The only rendering of "ho" I was aware of was it's usage as an interjection such as in "hi ho Silver," i.e. the Lone Ranger. After looking up the secondary meaning I see my bad.
Hooah... writes: Call it my disdain for the religious, but I don't see my views as being forced on them as I do religion being forced. how many scientific methods are there? Now how many religions? Why teach them just the one religion? How can you "force" the scientific method, or logical/critical thinking? that is my way. I just want them to know all the options, and take away from it what they will. If they grow up god-fearing, bible thumping creationists, fine. They will know to stay the hell away from me with that. 1. There are multiple POVs on science as well. We Biblical creationists have various science views as do secularists who reject the literalist Biblical account. 2. If you would teach your way to little kids, in essence, you are forcing your ideology on them just as much as she is. It's called indoctrination.
Hooah... writes: I've no problem with that angle. It's just a matter of her agreeing to it as well. Therein lies the problem. We agree that there's no simple solution. It's good that you are seeking counsel here and elsewhere so as to work out a resolution.
Hooah writes: I search for it every day. Hopefully i will find it. Although, the search has enlightened me and taught me quite a bit more than had I just found the answer and stopped looking. My sincere regards to you and yours.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 86 (534212)
11-05-2009 9:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 34 by onifre
11-05-2009 3:06 PM
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onifre writes: Dude, find another chick Yah, sure, Dude, complicate a problematic situation into more of a rabitry hopping from one bunny to another until the kiddies know not who belongs to who or where to turn. Blessed be the family commitments of til death do we part, come hell or high water, through the good and the bad, etc, where, so long as Biblical principles were applied, the non-complicated old fashioned functional family flourished fairly effectively.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw
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Message 42 of 86 (534220)
11-05-2009 11:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 40 by Rahvin
11-05-2009 9:12 PM
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Rahvin writes: This may come as news to our older members like you, Buzz, but most women don't like the Biblical principles of meek and submissive wives. Those families didn't "work," they simply forced people to suffer with no recourse. 1. A healthy degree of meekness is Biblically prescribed for all believers. Wives don't mind the chain of authority when a loving husband loves her as himself. 2. No human organization, including government can function efficiently having two presidents and no chain of authority. The family unit is no exception. Thus throughout history nearly all cultures have assumed the male headship. Two equal heads too often = contention, bickering and strife, though there certainly are exceptions when there is compatibility. This is not to say that the wishes of the wife are disregarded or that she is not designated authority by the husband. 3. LOL. They surely did work better. The high rate of divorce, single parent homes and disfunctional families in our times attests to that. The OP of this thread, having no satisfactory solution also attests to the blessings of Biblical family units.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw
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Message 43 of 86 (534221)
11-05-2009 11:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 41 by SammyJean
11-05-2009 10:19 PM
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Re: Welcome to the 21st century
Sammy, perhaps if your first husband and you both believed and practiced Biblical principles producing fruits of the Holy Spirit like love, joy, peace, gentleness goodness faith, meekness and temperance, you'd still be together, happy and functional. One of the big problems and perhaps why you feel as you do is that too many professing Christians do not follow those principles. That's not the fault of the Bible or it's principles and precepts.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw
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Re: Leadership Role
hooah writes: 1. You are a pompous ass. 1. It is not pompousness on my part to know and understand that when you have two presiding authorities, i.e. presidents in any human organization it cannot function without bickering and contention. There needs to be a final decision by the leader when agreement on an issue cannot be resolved as is the case with any cultural unit. 2. It is a sign of ignorance on your part and not pompousness on my part to understand and advocate what the vast majority of human cultures since the recording of history have practiced relative to the male leadership role in the family unit.
hooah writes:
2. There is this thing called equality.....and teamwork. There doesn't always ave to be a "leader". Who's not advocating teamwork? Certainly not me. I thought I made that clear. All corporations government entities and other organizations apply teamwork. That does not mean that all on the team are presidents. Get it?
hooah writes:
3. Don't try to assume a damn thing about my family and what you think it attests to. I'm not assuming anything. By now in this thread, we all know what has been discussed with you relative to your family. It was you who chose to share the information, requesting suggestions as to how to resolve your problems. Instead of appreciation you have personally attacked my integrity for sharing what has worked for me and for so many of the folks I've known over the past 74 years of my life. I'm not shoving anything down your throat. I'm just a bum sharing with another bum where I found bread. hooah writes: The bible means fuck all to me. I posed a question about ONE single aspect of my relationship with my girlfriend. The world would be a better place without biblical proselytization and christians chastizing people that believe something different than they do. Whether the Bible means anything to you is irrevelant. It happens to agree with what has been observed over the millenia relative to equality of authority, and leadership in human cultures. Edited by Buzsaw, : Add response.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 44 by hooah212002, posted 11-05-2009 11:27 PM | | hooah212002 has replied |
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Buzsaw
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Re: Leadership Role
LOL. Thanks for the welcome (I guess) but likely you were a teanager when I came in '03, so boot camp has long since past for me at EvC, heading towards 7000 messages in all. I deactivated my account for a few months and reactivated it a while back. I've been in the trenches as a Biblical creationist for a number of years dealing with all kinds of counterparts, some smart asses (like ones who load up my message ratings indiscriminately with 1's) and others quite congenial and fair minded debaters.
hooah writes: Feel free to re-read the title of my thread and my OP. I have ONE question about ONE aspect/facet of the dealings with this other person. I did not post seeking dr. Love Guru's faith healing and spiritual guidance, so stop preaching, it's getting nowhere. Who's preaching? Obviously you find it convenient to ignore the fact that what I have advocated has worked for family units over the millennia, relative to situations such as yours. Now people like you with problems having no solutions choose to wave off what has worked, for the most part as old fashioned when, in fact, in spite of it's flaws, it had it's merits. BTW, the ole man is not so wimpy milk toast as to let any woman toss him out of his house. 
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw
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Re: Compromise too much too ask?
hooah writes: One thing I have noticed from the obvious christian posters, is that christians are unwavering in their ability to compromise. You have a lot to learn about Biblically principled Christians, Hooah, who do plenty of compromising, giving and taking in a non-provacative manner, often honoring the other's wishes over their own. It's called, the fruit of the Holy Spirit, i.e. love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance.
hooah writes: I see this as a serious flaw in their system. How can you be so ignorant to the feelings of other people, and at the same time say atheists or "evolutionists" have no morals? Do you care that little for your fellow man? Flaws? It appears that your system has some flaws as well. LOL. Now you're digressing. I have some morally good evolutionist and athiestic minded friends and aquaintences.
hooah writes: I don't believe a word the bible says. however, IF jesus was a real person, the things he teaches ARE good ideals to strive to live by. IMO, he was a peace loving hippy. If more of the hardcore religious types were just a little bit accepting of other views,as the rest of the world has been with christianity, we would all be better off. keep your beliefs private, and I will do the same. 1. Didn't I say the same, that Biblical principles and not necessarily actions of professing Christians are what works? 2. This is a public board open to all registered members. The moderators and Forum Guidelines will determine what is not to be aired, thank you.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw
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Re: Leadership Role
hooah writes: I have no respect for anyone who can't stand up for themselves and what they believe in. Well then, learn to live at peace with your woman relative to the kids and stop complaing about her stubborn stance.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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