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Author Topic:   Life experience and the soul
Larni
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Message 10 of 50 (533854)
11-03-2009 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Peg
11-03-2009 12:58 AM


According to Gods word the bible, the dead have no consciousness. Death is the end of life, its the cessation of the living soul. The soul, which is the living breathing person, ceases to exist both physically and mentally.
So there is no heaven? Won't all the xians be a bit disappointed?
Edited by Larni, : Fixed quotes.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
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Message 25 of 50 (534442)
11-08-2009 12:07 PM
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11-06-2009 5:10 PM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
Welcome to EvC, Domino.
Acting as if there is a heaven, whether there really is one or not, can give hope and comfort where there was none before, make people act virtuously to try and obtain entrance to paradise, etc.
It also creates many problems for people who get it into their heads that they are going to go to hell and loose Yahweh's love.

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Larni
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Message 34 of 50 (534474)
11-08-2009 3:29 PM
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11-08-2009 1:34 PM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
I would not, however, incessantly beat myself up about the possibility of going to hell.
Welcome to the world of mental health: some people believe that they will go to hell and it terrifies them.

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Larni
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Message 38 of 50 (534527)
11-09-2009 7:33 AM
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11-08-2009 6:48 PM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
As I said before, shouldn't this make them either change their ways or change their beliefs?
No because the the experiences that lead them to the conclusion that they are in fact going to go to hell happened in the past and are thus unable to be changed.
The individual ruminates on his/her experiences and becomes more and more distressed.
People who process information in this way cannot simply put their beliefs to one side for the obvious reasons.
So they can't change their beliefs or their past.
Their soul (so they believe) is destined for hell and that is that.

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Larni
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Message 43 of 50 (534645)
11-10-2009 3:50 AM
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11-09-2009 10:28 PM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
Pretty much every Chatholic patient I've treated; it's more common than you would think.
There is a type of cognitive process called rumination that is very much like worry where the individual cannot stop thinking about (insert reason to feel bad here).
This pretty much take s over people's lives and contributes a great deal of the variance in major depressive disorder and generalised anxiety disorder.
Much more common in people given to religious thought.
You could argue that it is the propensity of these people engaging in magical thinking, rather than a specific belief in their eternal soul going to hell (see what I did, there?), as being the problem. But I would suggest that you can't entertain the notions of a soul and it ending up in hell if you did not engage in magical thinking.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
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Message 46 of 50 (534800)
11-11-2009 5:51 AM
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11-10-2009 10:01 PM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
Remember, correlation is not equivalent to causation. The cognitive process of rumination may correspond to people given to religious thought, but that does not necessarily mean the religious thought causes the rumination.
I agree with this and in no way suggested this was the case.
My point was in response to:
Acting as if there is a heaven, whether there really is one or not, can give hope and comfort where there was none before, make people act virtuously to try and obtain entrance to paradise, etc.
Only one side of the story.

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Larni
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Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 49 of 50 (535520)
11-16-2009 1:47 PM
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11-16-2009 9:29 AM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
Domino writes:
But I in no way suggested that acting as if there is a heaven always gives comfort.
Domino writes:
Acting as if there is a heaven, whether there really is one or not, can give hope and comfort where there was none before, make people act virtuously to try and obtain entrance to paradise, etc.
My emboldification.
You're, of course correct. You did not say always.
Unfortunately banning religion never works.

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