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Dr Adequate
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Message 1 of 39 (534628)
11-09-2009 10:07 PM



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Larni
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Message 2 of 39 (534646)
11-10-2009 3:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
11-09-2009 10:07 PM


Very pleased
I have to say I'm very pleased to hear this.
I remember being fascinated by dinosaurs when I was little and also remember being confused when our local cannon came into school every Tuesday morning to tell us about Jesus.
Where where all the dinosaurs I asked?*
At leaset now kids will get a better primary education than I did.
*I got sent to the library by way of an answer.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 3 of 39 (534648)
11-10-2009 4:50 AM
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11-10-2009 3:59 AM


Re: Very pleased
At leaset now kids will get a better primary education than I did.
Hopefully, although I still fear that they will be taught utter nonsense in other classes, just to make sure we don't raise a generation that will be completely devoid of confusion. They say that child abusers were often victims themselves. It seems that as a society we still can't stop ensuring that each generation gets at least a partial dose of the drivel we had to put up with.
I just don't understand how or why schools still get to preach religion in the UK. Out of everyone I know (and I mean absolutely everyone - I'm talking in the hundreds) I only know of 2 who go to church. One is in their 50's, the other is about 70. I really do think that politicians have a completely irrational fear that there will be a rebellion on their hands if religion is taken out of schools completely. I can't even remember ever discussing religious belief with anyone outside these forums.

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Message 4 of 39 (534650)
11-10-2009 5:12 AM
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11-10-2009 4:50 AM


Re: Very pleased
Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
I just don't understand how or why schools still get to preach religion in the UK. Out of everyone I know (and I mean absolutely everyone - I'm talking in the hundreds) I only know of 2 who go to church. One is in their 50's, the other is about 70. I really do think that politicians have a completely irrational fear that there will be a rebellion on their hands if religion is taken out of schools completely. I can't even remember ever discussing religious belief with anyone outside these forums.
While I agree schools should not be preaching religion. I think they should be teaching religion. Not just the Christian one though, but all (for so far as possible) of them.

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 5 of 39 (534652)
11-10-2009 5:26 AM
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11-10-2009 5:12 AM


Re: Very pleased
I agree. I've absolutely no problem with teaching religion in a comparative social or historical context, to give children an understanding of the peculiar world they've inherited.

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Dr Jack
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11-10-2009 5:51 AM
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11-10-2009 4:50 AM


Re: Very pleased
Out of everyone I know (and I mean absolutely everyone - I'm talking in the hundreds) I only know of 2 who go to church.
Would you know?
I know lots of people who go to church; the vast majority of them don't make a song and dance about it. Unless the subject actually comes up they won't mention it.

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Larni
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Message 7 of 39 (534658)
11-10-2009 5:53 AM
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11-10-2009 5:26 AM


Re: Very pleased
Yeah, I always found comparative religious education very interesting.
When you grow up knowing only one religion it's no surprise that one can become partisan to that view point.
I believe we should teach the controversy between religions.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 8 of 39 (534661)
11-10-2009 5:57 AM
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11-10-2009 5:53 AM


Re: Very pleased
I always found comparative religious education very interesting.
I agree with everything except that religious eduction is in any way interesting!

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 9 of 39 (534663)
11-10-2009 6:34 AM
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11-10-2009 5:51 AM


Re: Very pleased
Would you know?
I know lots of people who go to church; the vast majority of them don't make a song and dance about it. Unless the subject actually comes up they won't mention it.
Fair point. I'm sure there must be a few. Not everyone shouts about it. But certainly none of my friends or family go. Plus I do a lot of different activities on a Sunday and so it would be apparent who was at church or not (and this is how I know of only the 2 aquaintances who go to church). Of course, church attendence is not the only characteristic of the religious. But I have to say, in all the conversations I have had in over 20 years of adult life, I can only think of 2 people I know of for sure who are religious. That's a tiny number. I never even hear of friends and aquaintances saying that they have friends or aquaintances who are religious. If it were more than a tiny number, you'd think you'd hear about it one way or another.
Edited by Jumped Up Chimpanzee, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 10 of 39 (534665)
11-10-2009 6:58 AM
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11-10-2009 5:57 AM


Re: Very pleased
I agree with everything except that religious eduction is in any way interesting!
I've always been interested in the origins of the myths that make up religion, rather than learning the tennets of the faith or rote learning their magic books.
Know thine ememy!

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 11 of 39 (534668)
11-10-2009 7:19 AM
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11-10-2009 6:58 AM


Re: Very pleased
I was partly joking with my past comment. However, I doubt that any comparative religious education is schools would dare look too deeply at the origins of religions, especially at primary level. Even at secondary level I think that would be too controversial in this day and age. They are more likely just to look at the historical spread of religions and their general cultures.
I do think it is far more important to educate children to think for themselves and to question everything they hear. To allow them to develop their own baloney detectors. I mean generally; not just to apply to religions but all the other bullshit we have to put up with. I know it's radical, but I think it would be great if people actually thought about everything they did, and understood it, rather than just go through the motions. As an employer it is my dream that all my employees may one day actually try to understand what they are doing, which I think makes it easy to remember how to do things. But then, at least they're not spending half their day on internet forums (I hope)!

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Kitsune
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Message 12 of 39 (534702)
11-10-2009 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
11-09-2009 10:07 PM


This is a bit of an aside, but in one of the comments posted to this article was a link to this story in The Onion -- gave me a chuckle:
Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory

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Larni
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Message 13 of 39 (534717)
11-10-2009 12:05 PM
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11-10-2009 7:19 AM


Re: Very pleased
I know exactly what you mean. Some people seem to go through life with the most bizarre ideas and yet still manage to get through life pretty well.
I think that is the thing; people can believe what ever they like and it really does not matter to the spinning of the world, much.
That being the case there is no over riding reason for people to 'think accurately' when all we really need to do is 'think accurately enough'.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 14 of 39 (534720)
11-10-2009 12:23 PM
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11-10-2009 12:05 PM


Re: Very pleased
Yep!
While not claiming to be any great genius myself, I can never help but wonder at how so many people go through life without any real understanding of anything that they're doing. They work in huge skyscrapers, fly around the world, send messages via satellite, etc. On a large group level, the human species appears to be a very slick and sophisticated entity. Yet put almost any adult human being in sole charge of a supermarket trolley and they'll cause all kinds of chaos.
I don't know if you watch Armstrong & Miller on Friday nights, but I saw a preview of a sketch in this week's episode where someone from the present goes back in time to meet Michael Faraday in his laboratory. I won't try to explain it. It's worth watching. It kind of sums up this whole scenario.

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Larni
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Message 15 of 39 (534731)
11-10-2009 1:30 PM
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11-10-2009 12:23 PM


Re: Very pleased
I don't know if you watch Armstrong & Miller on Friday nights
Buy the dvd of the Channel 4 series. Much more near to the knuckle than the BBC one.
Who could forget Nude Practice and Porn Beach?
Edited by Larni, : Added channel 4

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