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Domino
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Message 42 of 50 (534634)
11-09-2009 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Stile
11-09-2009 9:38 AM


Re: All of us? Are you sure?
Stile writes:
All of us? Are you sure?
I'd just like to point out that never once in my post did I write the word "all."
Some people are going to find things like astronomy important... and those people will engage in those pursuits.
Some people are going to find things like God important . . . and those people will engage in those pursuits.
I reserve my curiosity for those things which have facts behind them, and that I'm interested in their possible results. You just saying that such a thing is important isn't enough for me. You'd have to provide some facts before you got me interested.
Have you ever considered where facts come from? Facts come from research and observation, which springs from curiosity. Why would you observe something if you weren't curious about it?
But then you seem to imply that "we humans" are all curious about heaven. And that's where you're wrong (if that's what you're actually implying).
Some humans certainly are curious about heaven. But not all, humans aren't so easily generalized.
That's not at all what I was implying. I said that humans are curious about all sorts of things, one of which is heaven.
Those who find ideas with no factual basis to be irrelevant and worthless will not find "heaven" to be interesting and will not try to find out as much as they can. Basically, they won't try because they already know that when no facts are present, there's only useless speculation to be done...
Once again, facts have to come from somewhere. Where no facts are present, people still get curious, which results in them doing research or making observations, and presto! they establish facts.

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Domino
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Message 44 of 50 (534771)
11-10-2009 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Straggler
11-09-2009 2:13 PM


Re: Evidential Despair.............
Well, to be technical, which is more rational: thinking without any evidence that there are cookies in the kitchen cabinet, or thinking without any evidence that there are goblins in the kitchen cabinet?
But despite that, you're right in that neither the cookie-believers nor the goblin-believers can claim that their beliefs form the "one true way" until they actually look in the kitchen cabinet and get some evidence.
Cookies and goblins are equally evidenced until you look in the cabinet? Equally irrational to believe in either until actually looking? I am sorry but that is just nonsense. Listen to yourself.
I was actually posing a rhetorical question to respond to your previous statement:
Except that no one set of such unevidenced beliefs is any more rational than any other.
But you're right, I failed to acknowledge the presence of the past objective evidence that cookies are likely to reside in the kitchen. Let me rephrase my point. If I have a closed box, the belief that some cookies are in the box and the belief that there are some goblins in the box both technically lack evidence. Obviously, cookies are more likely to be in the box because cookies exist elsewhere. But by your argument, one of these arguments is no more rational than any other, as they both have no support.
I understand, and largely agree with, your assertion that there cannot be a "one true way" where unevidenced beliefs are concerned. Yet I disagree that all these beliefs are on common ground; some are obviously more far-fetched than others.

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Domino
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Message 45 of 50 (534772)
11-10-2009 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Larni
11-10-2009 3:50 AM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
This pretty much take s over people's lives and contributes a great deal of the variance in major depressive disorder and generalised anxiety disorder.
Much more common in people given to religious thought.
I'll let you have the final word on the facts, as you probably know much more about this area than me. But I disagree on the logic. Remember, correlation is not equivalent to causation. The cognitive process of rumination may correspond to people given to religious thought, but that does not necessarily mean the religious thought causes the rumination.

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Domino
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Message 48 of 50 (535485)
11-16-2009 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Larni
11-11-2009 5:51 AM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
Acting as if there is a heaven, whether there really is one or not, can give hope and comfort where there was none before, make people act virtuously to try and obtain entrance to paradise, etc.
Only one side of the story.
Agreed. But I in no way suggested that acting as if there is a heaven always gives comfort. In some people, it may cause discomfort, but my point is that it helps, not hurts, the majority of people. Eating dairy products causes abdominal pain, flatulence, and diarrhea in some people (lactose intolerance); does that mean that everyone should reject dairy products?

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