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Blue Jay
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Message 6 of 35 (534686)
11-10-2009 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
11-10-2009 7:37 AM


Hi, Chimp.
Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
I was expressing my extreme incredulity. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'm pretty sure that any creationist saying, "yeah right" in a post on this forum would have gotten a good handful of comments identical to the one you got from Iano.
My personal take on this is that, since you've been leaning heavily on an "emotional vs rational" theme here, you should avoid the expression of anything non-rational, because it kind of makes you look two-faced when you're using non-rational expressions in an argument against non-rational arguments.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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Blue Jay
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Message 13 of 35 (534780)
11-11-2009 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
11-10-2009 10:08 AM


Hi, Chimp.
Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
Is there any scientific evidence that could theoretically emerge that would undo your religious belief.
This is definitely a good question.
Most religious beliefs are far more ambiguous than those who hold them seem to be aware. A statement of beliefs is, by admission, fixed and unequivocal. It determines, a priori, what counts as "truth," and retroactively defines "reason" as that which leads to a conclusion consonent with what we determined was "truth."
So, religious folks generally don't even think in terms of evidence or logic or reason, because these things aren't really part of the process of determining truth for us.
For most religious folks, I would say that they would immediately and decisively answer, "no," simply because that is the kind of response that is venerated in Christian motivational stories.
For myself, my initial thought was to try to come up with what kind of evidence would destroy my religious beliefs. Unfortunately, I concluded that I simply don't hold a specific enough religious belief that it could be tested. I am chronically indecisive, so I prefer not to marry myself to some certain idea. That the fate of my eternal soul is riding on this decision doesn't make it any easier for me to be satisfied that I've made the right choice, so, unfortunately, I am unwilling to state my beliefs in a specific enough manner that they could be tested with scientific evidence.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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