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Author Topic:   String! Theory! What is it good for ?!?
Straggler
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Message 29 of 107 (535326)
11-14-2009 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by cavediver
11-14-2009 5:17 PM


Questions
My (admittedly limited) understanding is that M theory provides a sort of working ability to pertubitively (i.e. calculate in practical terms) various aspects of the standard model whilst also incorporating gravity. And that it is essentially this that means it is taken seriously. Because no other model even gets that far.
Is this correct?
Even though the underlying theory behind the working calculations is not known at a deep (i.e. truly quantum gravity) level this is the reason that theorists take the string theory model as seriously as they do. It can derive the standard model and gravity without breaking out into a mass of infinities. So to speak, and if one already knows what one is looking for.
Is that fair?
I have a couple of questions if you are willing to answer them:
1) What is supersymmetry (i.e. that which make string theory into superstring theory)?
2) What are solitonic solutions and why are they important?
If all of this is too much then even being pointed at some references that might be appropriately levelled would be appreciated.

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Straggler
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Message 31 of 107 (535332)
11-14-2009 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Iblis
11-14-2009 7:38 PM


Re: Yes, that's science
Cavediver writes:
Now Dick is another matter
Did you know him personally?
Richard Feynman is a hero to most who have ever chosen to study physics in recent times.
Wiki on RF and String Theory writes:
Feynman diagrams are now fundamental for string theory and M-theory, and have even been extended topologically. Feynman's mental picture for these diagrams started with the hard sphere approximation, and the interactions could be thought of as collisions at first. It was not until decades later that physicists thought of analyzing the nodes of the Feynman diagrams more closely. The world-lines of the diagrams have developed to become tubes to allow better modeling of more complicated objects such as strings and membranes.
From his diagrams of a small number of particles interacting in spacetime, Feynman could then model all of physics in terms of those particles' spins and the range of coupling of the fundamental forces. Feynman attempted an explanation of the strong interactions governing nucleons scattering called the parton model. The parton model emerged as a complement to the quark model developed by his Caltech colleague Murray Gell-Mann. The relationship between the two models was murky; Gell-Mann referred to Feynman's partons derisively as "put-ons". Feynman did not dispute the quark model; for example, when the fifth quark was discovered, Feynman immediately pointed out to his students that the discovery implied the existence of a sixth quark, which was duly discovered in the decade after his death.
But as a key proponent of physics as a predictive and ultimately testable discipline Feynman himself said:
RF regarding string theory writes:
"I don't like that they're not calculating anything," he said. "I don't like that they don't check their ideas. I don't like that for anything that disagrees with an experiment, they cook up an explanationa fix-up to say, 'Well, it still might be true.'" These words have since been much-quoted by opponents of the string-theoretic direction for particle physics.
I was "raised" on Feynman as an undergraduate. But I was also raised on string theory as the most likely "theory of everything" (in the sense that those teaching me were working on it even if what they were teaching me was well below that level).
So the attitude of current string theorists to RPF and his very "practical predictions are all that count" mentality are very interesting to me.

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Straggler
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Message 50 of 107 (538038)
12-02-2009 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Son Goku
11-15-2009 5:42 AM


Re: Questions
I have just seen you logon and it reminded me that I meant to ask:
Fermions and Bosons - I.e. as I understand it those particles that obey the Pauli exclusion principle and those that do not (respectively)
What is the difference in terms of string theory? If all particles are vibrating strings then what makes some fermions and some bosons?
Or have I got the complete wrong end of the stick here?

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Straggler
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Message 51 of 107 (538042)
12-02-2009 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by cavediver
11-15-2009 5:19 AM


Re: Questions
Cavediver writes:
Susy is the attempt to reconcile the two fundemental particle/field types: bosonic and fermionic. In the same way that a neutron and a proton are essentially the same thing (or an up and down quark - same thing really), just differentiated by electric charge. If we could switch off the electric charge, they would be identical. So each boson has a fermionic partner, which it would be identical to if the supersymmetric charge could be switched off and supersymmetry restored.
Looking at your posts it seems that you might have answered my question in Message 50 but that I have not understood properly.
I am not sure.
In terms of the conceptual model of vibrating strings what makes some particles (i.e fermions) obey the exclusion principle but others (i.e bosons) not?

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