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Larni
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Message 46 of 50 (534800)
11-11-2009 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Domino
11-10-2009 10:01 PM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
Remember, correlation is not equivalent to causation. The cognitive process of rumination may correspond to people given to religious thought, but that does not necessarily mean the religious thought causes the rumination.
I agree with this and in no way suggested this was the case.
My point was in response to:
Acting as if there is a heaven, whether there really is one or not, can give hope and comfort where there was none before, make people act virtuously to try and obtain entrance to paradise, etc.
Only one side of the story.

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Straggler
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Message 47 of 50 (535055)
11-12-2009 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Domino
11-10-2009 9:54 PM


Re: Evidential Despair.............
If I have a closed box, the belief that some cookies are in the box and the belief that there are some goblins in the box both technically lack evidence.
Only if you ignore every single piece of objective evidence we have ever established about the reality of cookies and goblins respectively. I see no reason to do this. Why do you?
Obviously, cookies are more likely to be in the box because cookies exist elsewhere.
Overly simplistic summation. But you seem to have got the general gist.
But by your argument, one of these arguments is no more rational than any other, as they both have no support.
WHAT!?!?
Then you have not understood a word I have ever said on this subject to anyone ever at EvC. My entire argument is based on the fact that in practise there never ever is a complete vacuum of evidence in which any claim is made. Ever. Goblins and cookies are not evidentially equivelent by the terms of any argument I have ever made. It is the theists who insist that I consider their ambiguous proclamtions of god, the soul etc. etc. as if there were a complete absence of human psychology or history of supernatural gap filling on which to make any assessmnet of likelihood regarding such claims.
I understand, and largely agree with, your assertion that there cannot be a "one true way" where unevidenced beliefs are concerned. Yet I disagree that all these beliefs are on common ground; some are obviously more far-fetched than others.
"Obviously"? Since when was subjective "obviousness" a meaningful criteria for anything? You are on seriously thin ice with that one.
Most "obviousness" comes from objective evidence regarding possibility and likelihood of any given claim. Thus claims of having seen cats cross roads are more evidenced, more mundane and more "obviously" likely to be true than claims of T-Rex sightings. Or god experiences. I continue to despair at this insane notion that unless you look in a box all conceivably possible things that could be in the box are equally objectively unevidenced. This is a truly insane assertion.
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Domino
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Message 48 of 50 (535485)
11-16-2009 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Larni
11-11-2009 5:51 AM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
Acting as if there is a heaven, whether there really is one or not, can give hope and comfort where there was none before, make people act virtuously to try and obtain entrance to paradise, etc.
Only one side of the story.
Agreed. But I in no way suggested that acting as if there is a heaven always gives comfort. In some people, it may cause discomfort, but my point is that it helps, not hurts, the majority of people. Eating dairy products causes abdominal pain, flatulence, and diarrhea in some people (lactose intolerance); does that mean that everyone should reject dairy products?

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Larni
Member (Idle past 163 days)
Posts: 4000
From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 49 of 50 (535520)
11-16-2009 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Domino
11-16-2009 9:29 AM


Re: Dreaming Of ME
Domino writes:
But I in no way suggested that acting as if there is a heaven always gives comfort.
Domino writes:
Acting as if there is a heaven, whether there really is one or not, can give hope and comfort where there was none before, make people act virtuously to try and obtain entrance to paradise, etc.
My emboldification.
You're, of course correct. You did not say always.
Unfortunately banning religion never works.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 50 of 50 (535526)
11-16-2009 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Logic
10-28-2009 7:09 PM


There is no way of knowing any of it or even reasonably speculating.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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