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Peg
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Message 507 of 517 (532632)
10-25-2009 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 506 by John 10:10
10-12-2009 12:35 PM


Re: God was the Word
John10:10 writes:
nor have they entered into the kingdom of God as Jesus declared in John 3:3-5.
well your right on that note
i havnt entered into the kingdom of God because thats in heaven, and im on earth...i hope to stay here
its nice here lol

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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days)
Posts: 2703
From: melbourne, australia
Joined: 11-22-2008


Message 509 of 517 (533645)
11-02-2009 3:52 AM
Reply to: Message 508 by jaywill
10-25-2009 8:52 AM


Re: God was the Word
Hi Jaywill,
long time no see...hope you are all well
jaywill writes:
the New Testament does not restrict the kingdom to only being in Heaven.
i'm aware of that
The kingdom rules from heaven, over the earth
therefore you're quite right to say that it is not restricted to heaven. However, those who rule in the kingdom with Jesus are most definitatly restricted to heaven for Paul said at 1Cor. 15:50
"I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."
this means that a flesh and blood person cannot inherit the kingdom of God...why do you suppose that is?
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Peg
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From: melbourne, australia
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Message 511 of 517 (535335)
11-14-2009 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 510 by jaywill
11-07-2009 8:27 AM


Re: God was the Word
Jaywill writes:
My God is the man Jesus.
ok Jaywill, thats fair enough. Jesus did give his life for mankind and he is the one who will eventually bring all things back into harmony with God again.
But tell me this, When Jesus relinquishes his rulership of the Kingdom of God, and puts mankind back in the hands of his God...will you then accept the God whom Jesus humbly subjects himself to?
quote:
1Corinthians 13:24 "Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27For [God] subjected all things under his feet. But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
The reconcilliation of man to God is because of Jesus, however the purpose is not for mankind to be worshipers of Jesus...its to reconcile mankind back to God Almighty Jehovah.
What is your opinion with regard to this reconcilliation that Paul explains in the above scripture?

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Peg
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From: melbourne, australia
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Message 514 of 517 (535623)
11-17-2009 2:33 AM
Reply to: Message 513 by jaywill
11-16-2009 8:52 AM


Re: God was the Word
jaywill writes:
The interpretation you hold is that Jesus uncrowns Himself as King of kings because He is to be subject to the Father. I see no ground for subjection to the Father calling for this.
the purpose according to Paul, is to 'hand over the kingdom to his father....so God may be all things to all persons'
God is the supreme authority, always has been and always will. Jesus recognizes his authority as Supreme Ruler which is why Jesus 'hands back' the kingdom.
jaywill writes:
2.) The THRONE of the Son of God is "forever and ever". It is not terminated after the millennial kingdom. Rather His throne is unto eternity.
there is no reason why Jesus cannot have his own throne...in fact God crowns him with such a thrown when he grants him 'immortality' which is why the scriptures say that Jesus is king forever.
But with regard to mankind, it is to Jehovah God who rightfully is their ruler. Jesus does not need to be the Supreme ruler over mankind forever.
Your Recovery Version footnote explains it exactly as I have stated above:
He as the Son of God, along with His delivering of the kingdom back to God the Father (v.24), will also subject Himself in His divinity to God. This indicates the Son's absolute subjection and subordination to the Father, which exalts the Father that God teh Father may be all in all.
If the purpose of the kingdom is for God to be in all, then right now God is not in all... that wont happen until Jesus Kingdom is handed back to God.
So my question stands.... when that happens, will you then turn your devotion to Jehovah and worship him rather then Jesus?

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Peg
Member (Idle past 4948 days)
Posts: 2703
From: melbourne, australia
Joined: 11-22-2008


Message 517 of 517 (536080)
11-19-2009 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 515 by Hyroglyphx
11-17-2009 1:30 PM


Re: God was the Word
certainly am.

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