Divinity of Jesus

Thank you iano.And to echo your post, there are only two persons that have the right to deal with the problem of sin. One is the one who has sinned against another. The other is the one who has been sinned against.This forgiveness of God is because of His taking up the consequence of man's sin. God in Christ has suffered the consequence.
Only the one who has been sinned against can take up the sin of the sinning one.A third party has no right to come in and forgive the offense. The party sinned against has the right to forgive. The redemptive work of Christ is God Himself coming to bear man's sin against Him. It is God bearing that which man has sinned against Him.In other words if Jesus Christ were not God, He would not be qualified to bear our sins righteously.Please comment further on this observation.Psalm 90:2 in my Recovery Version reads "Indeed from eternity to eternity, You are God." The Psalmist is refering to Jehovah (v.13)Micah 5:2 speaking of the Messiah of Bethlehem Ephrathah says - "From you will come forth to Me He who is to be Ruler in Israel; And His goings forth are from ancient times, from the days of eternity." I see every indication here that the born Christ is God from eternity in Psalm 90.Peg, clings to some passages but seems to completely ignore many that have been presented.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Peg, the New Testament does not restrict the kingdom to only being in Heaven. For example, in the church age, on the earth, Paul informs us that the kingdom of God is with the normal prevailing new testament church life: "For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." (Rom. 14:16)Please read carefully the context of the whole chapter 14 of Romans. Paul is speaking of a vital and vibrant church practice in the normalcy of the Holy Spirit. This is to take place on the earth during the church age. The "righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" is the victorious Christian life today on the earth.In other words "your church should not be defeated being preoocupied with eating and drinking but neglecting the victorious spiritual life. But it should be in the kingdom of God; in "righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."Neither did he write that "the kingdom of God [WILL BE]" as to the future millennium. But it IS presently "righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit"In the same sense Paul informs the Colossian Christians that they have already been transfered by the Father to the kingdom of Son of God's love - "Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you ... who delivered us out of the authority of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." (See Col. 1:12-14)Past tense - "has delivered us, has ... transfered us into the kingdom." Their participation in the kingdom of God is not on hold until they go to Heaven. They have been qualified, forgiven, and transfered into God's kingdom.The Apostle John, when writing the book of Revelation, said that he was at that time a "partaker in the triubulation and kingdom and endurance" (Rev. 1:9). John was on the earth.For Paul to preach the gospel of the grace of God on the earth was also for Him to announce the kingdom of God: " ... I have received from the Lord Jesus to solemnly testify of the gospel of the grace of God. And now, behold I know that you all, among whom I have gone about proclaiming the kingdom, will see my face no more." (Acts 20:24,25) His testifying to the gospel of grace was also his proclaiming of God's kingdom.Consider also that Jesus says that He will removed from His kingdom all stumbling blocks and those who cause offense. "The Son of Man will send His angels, and they will collect out of His kingdom all the stumbling blocks and those who proactice lawlessness. And will cast them into the furnace of fire ... Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of thier Father." (See Matthew 13:41-43)Surely this does not mean that Christ will rapture to Heaven the believers WITH the unbelieving and there in Heaven collect out of His Heaven those to be condemned to perdition. Rather this collecting out of His kingdom should be an activity to take place on earth where the overcoming disciples of Christ are amidst the workers of lawlessness (See verse 38 where [b]"the field"{/b where the tares and wheat grow together is "the world").This is a big subject. This post is to prove that the kingdom of God is not restrictedd to be in Heaven during the church age or even immediately after Christ's second coming.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Thankyou. My God is the man Jesus. When man was created a living soul in Genesis 2:7 it was God's purpose that the strongest part and ruling part of his being would be the innermost human spirit. The order of man's being should be the body is under the control of the soul and the soul is under the control of the human spirit. The human spirit was created the highest part of man.In the disobedience of Adam the human spirit became comatose and deadened. God warned man that in the day he would eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil he would die. The death of the human spirit into its comatose state was the initiation of this death that God warned man about. Of course eventually man's body died also.When the human spirit died the human soul ascended to be the highest part of man's being. This was a corrupting of man. And this corrupting effected also the body. The body of the fallen man with the deadened spirit is a soulish body which is corrupted.Now Paul says that corruption cannot inherit incorruption: "Now this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither does curruption inherit incorruption" (1 Cor. 15:50)The Recovery Version Footnote on this verse is helpful to me: Paul goes on in verse 51 to speak of the changing of those who "sleep", ie. have died in Christ. Their bodies will be resurrected and transfigured - "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed. For this ccorruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."It is the resurrected and transfigured body of the Christian which inherits the kingdom of God in the millennium.In the church age, the human spirit has been regenerated. So though body has not yet been transfigured the human spirit is regenerated and the soul is under the process of transformation. The proper new testament church life, therefore is the kingdom of God on this side of the second coming of Christ: "For the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteusness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit." (Rom. 14:17)This passage refers to the prevailing and normal Christian church in the city of Rome or where ever the church is normal as it should be.We could also think of the kingdom of God like the human kingdom. One has to have the human life to be in the human kingdom. So one must have the life of God to be in the kingdom of God. Therefore unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God (John 3:3) And unless one is born of water and the Spirit (probably meaning termination of the old life as symbolized in baptism, and the spirit) he cannot enter into the kingdom of God (vs. 5)In the church age the one participating in the kingdom of God has to be born in his spirit with the King's life. In the millennium she or he must be "swallowed up" by life (2 Cor. 5:4; 1 Cor. 15:54; See also Isaiah 25:8) This does not address all the difficulties concerning the inheriting of the kingdom of God though. And my understanding is also limited.

Jesus not only gave Himself to redeem His people. He also gave Himself TO His people as the indwelling divine seed of God. Jesus has caused the non-sinning divine seed of the life of God into those whom He has redeemed. The essence of the element of God as seed is implanted into the human spirit of the one begotten of God - born of God.Have you ever prayed "Lord Jesus, I want the divine seed of God to be planted into me." God does not sin. And this seed of God has nothing to do with sinning. If we allow this seed of God to be planted into us and grow in us, in this way we will be saved from our sins, not only from their guilt but from the power of sin.Again, Jesus not only dies for the sins of mankind. Jesus brings God into His believers: Jehovah God embodied as Jesus Christ has come into me. Part of me is God. Part of my being is Jehovah God because my spirit has been made one spirit with the Spirit of the Lord - "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit" (1 Cor. 6:17)I already tried to show you that the Spirit of God in Romans 8:9 is the Spirit of Christ in the same passage. And that this Spirit of God, ie. Spirit of Christ is also Christ HIMSSELF. Now I am called away. But I will continue and try to show you that I think your concept of Christ relinquishing the kingdom is not what what First Corinthians 15 is teaching. I do not think your concept of a dethronement of Jesus Christ after the millennium has anything to do with First Corinthians 15.As a matter of fact there is little there in Christ's humbling Himself under the Father which He has not or is not in such a state already.I will cont.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Does Jesus relinquish His rulership ? I do not think 1 Cor.15:13 says that Jesus relinquishes His kingship.Jesus can be subject to the Father without relinquishing His kingahip. Is Jesus not subject to the Father while being Lord during the thirty three and a half years of His earthly ministry ? Did He have to "relinquish" being Lord because He was at that time subject to His Father ?The interpretation you hold is that Jesus uncrowns Himself as King of kings because He is to be subject to the Father. I see no ground for subjection to the Father calling for this.Hebrews 1:8 says - "But of the Son, Your throne of God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom."1.) This word is spoken to "the Son" , Jesus Christ the Son of God.2.) The THRONE of the Son of God is "forever and ever". It is not terminated after the millennial kingdom. Rather His throne is unto eternity.3.) His KINGDOM is therefore also unto eternity.It also seems not to occur to you that delivering up the kingdom to His Father is not giving AWAY the kingdom to His Father. Nor does is imply the Father TAKING AWAY the kingdom from the Son.Did it ever occur to you that it may be the Father's good pleasure that once the kingdom is delivered up to the Father the Father continue to install the Son's throne forever and ever ?In the Trinity each works on behalf of the other in perfect coordination. The Father invests all into the hands of the Son. The Spirit communicates all from the Son to the believers. The Spirit works not for His own glory but the glory of the Son. The Son likewise works for the glory of the Father. And the Father works all for the exultation of the Son.There is no competition. There is no rivalry. So First Corinthains 15:24-28 does not mean the termination of the Son's "kingdom" which is forever and ever.Here is a footnote in the Recovery Version on verse 28: While the passage is not an easy one for me to grasp without help, I see nothing in it indicating a termination of the Son of God's kingdom which the Father has established forever and ever (Hebrews 1:8).Did it occur to you that the Father is exalted in the Son's being commissioned and anointed to reign forever and ever?I have more to say on this passage in another post. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

G.H. Lang writes as follows - In the picture of the eternal reign in the new heaven and new earth there is one throne which is called "the throne of God and of the Lamb" (Rev. 22:1). It did not say the thrones (plural) of God and the Lamb. Rather the Lamb, the Redeeming God-man is on the throne of God. Has not the Son always been in absolute subjection and subordination to the Father? So I don't see this as necessarily a new state of affairs.Was the Son not in subjection to the Father in crucifixion and in resurrection ?And it doesn't occur to you that for God to be all and all could be for the Son to reign forever and ever on the one throne of God and of the Lamb (Rev. 21:1). G.H. Lang informed us that the Greek word does not have to carry the force of losing possession of that which is delivered. Since the moment I met Jesus my devotion has been on Jehovah.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.