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Author Topic:   Electro-mechanical engines of Perpetual Motion and Natural Selection
Alan Cresswell
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Message 77 of 202 (53493)
09-02-2003 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Parasomnium
09-02-2003 8:20 AM


'You guess'. I like this expression. It is symptomatic of institutionalised physics.
Absurdities are not alleged by me. They are a fact admitted to by relativity practitioners. Get real. Enstein died in abject failure.
If he had never been born; name one single thing the human race would be short of.
University funding is not acceptable as an answer.

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Alan Cresswell
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Message 78 of 202 (53495)
09-02-2003 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Parasomnium
09-02-2003 8:20 AM


You seem to be getting somewhere. Yes I know a lot more about the universe than your 'WEES'.

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doctrbill
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Message 79 of 202 (53498)
09-02-2003 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Alan Cresswell
09-01-2003 5:40 PM


Alan Cresswell writes:
I dare not attack a Sunday School Teacher from the US of A.
You attack Einstein and Watt and yet you fear a lowly SS officer? Very Interesting.
I might incur the wrath of your God and he would throw heebie jeebie devils into my design DRAWINGS.
Too late to worry about that.
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"I was very unwilling to give up my belief." Charles Darwin

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helena 
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Message 80 of 202 (53499)
09-02-2003 11:35 AM


A few general remarks
As there seems to be some very general confusion, I'll try to make 1 or 2 points..
(a) Attributing the idea of relativity to Einstein alone is not correct. His achievement (at least for special relativity) was taking the existing mathematical ideas and unifying the concepts (there are still Lorentz transformations around named for the person who first brought them up). On a related note, Einstein did not get his Nobel prize for the theory of relativity ....
(b) Postulating a medium (ether or whatever) that electromagnetic waves need to propagate, borders on the absurd. I recommend reading about the Michelson-Morley experiments (which - I think - predate the theory of relativity by some time)...
(c) All theories in physics also this theory need to invoke some postulates. Postulates in this context being statements that can not (yet) be proven THEORETICALLY (mathematically), but can only be inferred from the fact that experimental observations fit with theoretical predictions derived from the postulates... The laws of thermodynamics are NOT such postulates, but can be derived from a SINGLE postulate, which states that "in equilibrium all accessible microstates of an enclosed system are occupied with the same probability". You just have to find a system in which this is not fulfilled, otherwise the laws derived from this stand...
(d) (I don't know if this has been stated) Perpetual motion machines are no problem for statistical physics (and for thermodynamics by inference), machines that run perpetually and produce energy in the process are, however, in violation of the laws of thermodynamics...
best regards

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Percy
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Message 81 of 202 (53500)
09-02-2003 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Alan Cresswell
09-02-2003 6:14 AM


Alan Cresswell writes:
I have just seen my mistake. I have used WAVELENGTH as an AMPLITUDE.
Of course measured C = f x lambda always but this value shifts about 3 x 10^8 m/s.
Actually, if we're talking about a vacuum, the value doesn't shift at all. The relationship of ƒλ = c always holds.
I'm still trying to decipher your meaning from when you said this in Message 56:
"The SPINNING DOWN of this entity is Power (HEAT) output."
You can't equate heat and power. They are two different concepts. One is energy, the other is energy per unit time.
Then, of course, there's the question of how these potential errors affect your conceptual framework regarding perpetual motion.
You say you have a demonstration device. Could you provide us pictures of your experimental setup, and describe how you're measuring the inputs and outputs?
--Percy

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Dr Cresswell
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Message 82 of 202 (53512)
09-02-2003 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by helena
09-02-2003 11:35 AM


Re: A few general remarks
quote:
Postulating a medium (ether or whatever) that electromagnetic waves need to propagate, borders on the absurd. I recommend reading about the Michelson-Morley experiments (which - I think - predate the theory of relativity by some time)...
Yes, these experiments predate Relativity. What they showed was that the speed of light is not relative to some underlying static medium, nor one that flows in some way - ie: no aether. They also show that the speed of light is not relative to the source of that light (ie: not like bullets fired from a gun with a muzzle velocity). It was the results of these experiments that led Einstein to realise that the speed of light in vacuum is constant for all observers irrespective of their relative motions ... from which the Special Theory of Relativity derives.
Alan

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Brad McFall
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Message 83 of 202 (53523)
09-02-2003 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Dr Cresswell
09-02-2003 1:54 PM


Re: A few general remarks
My physics is realatively weak compared to biology but any constancy here short of universal statements relies on a figure that can be afforded by an ellipse or a circle with any projective geometry created therefrom so what is constant is not FIXED absolutely. I dont know if this is correct as to any difference of capacity and intensity that may have been in error in this thread (if?) else true.

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Alan Cresswell
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Message 84 of 202 (53524)
09-02-2003 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Percy
09-02-2003 11:44 AM


I have just e-mailed the drawings to you.

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Percy
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Message 85 of 202 (53527)
09-02-2003 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Alan Cresswell
09-02-2003 4:00 PM


Hi Alan,
Thank you for the drawings, but what I'm more interested in is pictures of your prototype in operation, and descriptions of how you're measuring the inputs and outputs of the device.
Additionally, I'm still interested in knowing how you think the problems regarding RMS of a wave and the units of heat and power impact your calculations.
--Percy

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crashfrog
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Message 86 of 202 (53530)
09-02-2003 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Alan Cresswell
09-02-2003 10:50 AM


Enstein died in abject failure.
If so, may we all be such failures.
If he had never been born; name one single thing the human race would be short of.
Solar panels. Space travel. Oops, that's two. My bad.

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nator
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Message 87 of 202 (53540)
09-02-2003 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by John
09-02-2003 10:08 AM


quote:
Hang on... you can manage a perpetual motion machine and you can't manage a cut-n-paste ??????
According to some people here, I'm at times unintelligent and illogical, yet even I can cut n paste.
You beat me to this one, John.

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Parasomnium
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Message 88 of 202 (53639)
09-03-2003 4:34 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Alan Cresswell
09-02-2003 10:50 AM


Alan Cresswell writes:
'You guess'. I like this expression. It is symptomatic of institutionalised physics.
Quoting out of context isn't going to win you any sympathy, let alone an argument.
Alan Cresswell writes:
Enstein died in abject failure. If he had never been born; name one single thing the human race would be short of.
Here are some things we would have had sooner or later, but which can be attributed to Einstein:
  • X-rays
  • CAT-scans
  • Microwave ovens
  • Lasers
  • TV screens
  • LCD screens
Also we can thank Einstein for the concept of the 'Gedanken experiment'. And one thing the world would certainly be without, had Einstein not been born: the element Einsteinium.
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"Two things are infinite: The universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
- Albert Einstein
[This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 09-03-2003]

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Alan Cresswell
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Message 89 of 202 (53640)
09-03-2003 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Parasomnium
09-03-2003 4:34 AM


Your imagination belongs on another planet. There is only ONE value. It is the GPS satellite positioning correction.
However my mass relativity delivers it by common sense as opposed to the Lorentz absurdity. Thus...........
Gravitational Attraction = GxM1xM2(1-v^2/C^2)/X^2. This is in the text but you clearly have reading difficulties.

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Alan Cresswell
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Message 90 of 202 (53641)
09-03-2003 5:25 AM
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09-02-2003 6:11 PM


The prospect of the world championship 'cutting and pasting' title is not intellectually stimulating to me. Help yourselves to it. Please do.

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Parasomnium
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Message 91 of 202 (53642)
09-03-2003 5:38 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Alan Cresswell
09-03-2003 5:25 AM


Alan Cresswell writes:
The prospect of the world championship 'cutting and pasting' title is not intellectually stimulating to me.
Be that as it may, it sure would be intellectually stimulating to us if you directed your replies to the right person.

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