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bluescat48
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Message 121 of 530 (527435)
10-01-2009 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by Peg
10-01-2009 8:48 AM


Re: Some facts that you may not be aware of
The lungfish did not change into a reptile. It is still living today, the same fish that is found in the ancient fossils....they call it a transitional to reptiles but it is not.
Peg, you have a lot to learn about evolution. your comment is totally absurd. It is the old if "X" evolved into "Y" why is there still "X"?
The point is not that any species simply changed into another, but gradually or in some cased more rapidly do to conditions. The change is at the DNA level, not the outer morphology. The point you use , the lungfish you comment on is not the same species that there was back in the paleozoic era. Also it was a lobefin, not a lungfish that is the common ancestor of the Amphibians not the reptiles, althouh the reptiles could be considered eventual descendants of the lobefins.
The term transitional does not imply that all of "X" evolved into "Y,"
but through natural selection those that had a particular trait became different over the course of many generations. A species is transitional if it contains some the traits of the ancestor and some of the traits of the descendant. All species are transitional.

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Message 233 of 530 (528374)
10-05-2009 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Peg
09-28-2009 7:56 AM


The salamanders are still salamanders, perhaps a different type of salamander, but a salamander nonetheless.
One problem with this line of thinking is that "salamander" is not a scientific name but a general name of The order Urodela, of amphibians.
This would be that same as saying that all carnivores are the same because the level (order) Carnivora (Bears, cats, dogs, raccoons, seals, etc) is the same level of mammals as the Urodela (salamanders) are within the amphibia. Thus by your classification, bears, cats, dogs etc. are all the same.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 318 of 530 (529341)
10-09-2009 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by Calypsis4
10-06-2009 9:30 AM


Re: Some facts that you may not be aware of
I rejected it on the basis of scientific evidence against it.
So give us this scientific evidence that evolution is not science.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 348 of 530 (529591)
10-09-2009 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by Calypsis4
10-09-2009 6:13 PM


Re: Some facts that you may not be aware of
Calypsis4 writes:
bluejay writes:
Please read the following mock post by Bluejay
No.
Why? Because it shows that your posts don't provide evidence and the truth hurts?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 357 of 530 (529643)
10-09-2009 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by Calypsis4
10-09-2009 9:21 PM


Re: Coal Mine Artifacts
So might I ask What are you trying to say? Just pictures give us your idea of what they represent & why? To me the second one looks more like a Rhino than a triceritops. And what is your problem with a trilobite at 9500 ft? Ever hear of uplift or plate techtonics?
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 395 of 530 (530181)
10-12-2009 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by SammyJean
10-12-2009 3:58 PM


Re: Coal Mine Artifacts
Maybe if you fed it enough. Just goes to show that any old artifact can be just as confusing as some modern art.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 459 of 530 (537161)
11-27-2009 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 455 by Peg
11-27-2009 1:20 AM


Re: Darwin about falsification
(Attempts to edit by asgara)...... the toe that darwin coined is not the same theory we have today, yet we are expected to believe that he was spot on??? (does this work?)
AbE: Well, editing seems to be working.
This is what I was trying to post:
but the toe that darwin coined is not the same theory we have today, yet we are expected to believe that he was spot on???
This is normal for theories,> As further work itro a theory is done, changes often are made do to increased knowledge on the subject or newer discoveries alter the original concept.
For example, Antoine Lavoisier proposed that oxidation was combining a substance with oxygen as in burning. This was later altered to include any reaction in which the same type of reaction, oxidation reduction, occurs ie the reaction between sodium & chlorine. After the discovery of sub atomic particles the theory was further and is now that oxidation is the loss of electrons & reduction is the gaining of electrons. The theory has been modified but not overturned, it is still the same theory. The same can be said for the periodic law, gravity & evolution. The theories have been modified but still are the same theories. Science does not deal in absolutes which is why theories are what science deals with. Scientists are constantly trying to refine theories.
Edited by bluescat48, : didnot post correctly
Edited by bluescat48, : still did not post
Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given.
Edited by bluescat48, : try again
Edited by AdminAsgara, : attempting to edit post
Edited by Admin, : Edit test.
Edited by bluescat48, : added what the post was supposed to read
Edited by bluescat48, : qs error

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 480 of 530 (537390)
11-28-2009 10:16 AM
Reply to: Message 464 by Peg
11-28-2009 2:28 AM


Re: Darwin about falsification
it would be good if that happened in reality, but with regard to the TOE, it has not happened even though its been adequately shown that the living cell cannot evolve.
Could you show some evidence that living cells cannot evolve.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 487 of 530 (537493)
11-29-2009 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 483 by Peg
11-28-2009 9:11 PM


Re: Darwin about falsification
Proteins depend on DNA for their formation and yet DNA cannot form without pre-existing protein.
Yes & no. Today such would not occur as the condensation of free amino acids can still occur, but with all the life in the oceans, this would be absorbed by living cells before long chains could be formed, plus the ozone layer prevents most of the calalytic ultraviolet radiation from reaching the oceans. In the primoidial ocean there was no life to stop the condensation and no ozone layer to block out UV rays.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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