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lyx2no
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Message 215 of 530 (528224)
10-05-2009 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Kaichos Man
10-05-2009 8:01 AM


Physician, heal thyself.
Put it down to the fact that it's a bit cumbersome trying to express unwieldy fractions. It's supposed to be read as:
"Four to the thousandth power, minus one, divided by four to the thousandth power". So that's a really huge number, minus one, over the same really huge number.
Then why not write it as 1- 4-1000?
I'd think the more important point here would be that if one is not competent to manipulate the math how can one believe they are competent to apply the math; or using any argument one does not fully understand.
Why does one have doubt about the ToE a theory exceedingly well thought out by hundreds of thousands (millions?) of people with a keen understanding of the subject and not have doubt about their own ability to criticize it?
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It's not the man that knows the most that has the most to say.
Anon

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lyx2no
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Message 267 of 530 (528720)
10-06-2009 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Kaichos Man
10-06-2009 8:01 AM


Re: Physician, heal thyself.
Well, absolutely. And it's so easy to prove they are incompetent, isn't it?
The pronoun "one" I was not referring to "they". "One" had on the instant established his own incompetence.
I have devised a two player game called Hit-or-Miss using your maths establish its fairness. The field of play is two concentric circles: a 10 foot inner ring, and an 100 foot outer ring of stakes set 1 foot apart. The object of the game is to roll a ball between two of the stakes from within the inner ring. The first player hurls the ball without knowing which of the two posts the ball is supposed to roll through. The second player has to roll the ball through the same gap as the first player. The first player gains the point when ever the second player misses. The second player gains the point whenever he hits. I will be first player, and to illustrate my great skill, I shall play blindfolded.
Simple problem. A one in four chance occurring 1000 times in succession. What's the real answer, Iyx2no?
Which problem: (41000 - 1)/41000 ≡ 1 for all intents and purposes; (x - 1)/x = (x/x)- (1/x) = 1 - x-1, which I already did; or the P of something that has happened of happening = 1?
The problem of pre-assessing the P of an event is not simple when it's not an entirely random event and the attractors are mostly unknown: I'm not competent to solve it. But I'm not so incompetent to not see so obvious a misapplication of probabilities.
Again, you are using information you clearly misunderstand to doubt a theory you clearly misunderstand. Why do you think that should convince me you've come to your doubt honestly?
I'm a sceptic: doubt is my starting gate. You are a cynic: doubt is your finish line.

It's not the man that knows the most that has the most to say.
Anon

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lyx2no
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Message 281 of 530 (528965)
10-07-2009 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Kaichos Man
10-07-2009 8:58 AM


Re: Physician, heal thyself.
That was the probability of the gene NOT evolving.
Nice quote mine. I'll get back to you when I figure out how you so slyly tricked me.

It's not the man that knows the most that has the most to say.
Anon

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lyx2no
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Message 310 of 530 (529138)
10-08-2009 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Kaichos Man
10-08-2009 4:47 AM


Re: Physician, heal thyself.
I wasn't aware that you can quote-mine yourself.
You took a small part of my statement and used it to pretend I was somehow in agreement with you. That's called quote mining.
That your arithmatic is right doesn't mean your math is.
Your math implies that mutation and natural selection is random. As a piece it is not. Your math also implies that anntenni appear fully formed. What are the odds that a mutation could oocur that make a cell able to register a stimuli that it prievious couldn't or even couldn't do as well. Rachet that up to an anntenna. Your math is out the window.
Try an honest debate. If you're right about that god thing it'll be one less thing for Saint Peter to raise his eye brows about.

It's not the man that knows the most that has the most to say.
Anon

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lyx2no
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Message 477 of 530 (537356)
11-28-2009 8:42 AM
Reply to: Message 475 by Peg
11-28-2009 8:34 AM


Test Tubes
so simple in fact that scientists should be able to reproduce that simple process in a lab, right?
All the test tubes in the world wouldn't hold a 100 trillionth of an ocean, Peg. Nor all the biologist in the world observe them for a half billion years. Other then that, yeah, you're right.

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lyx2no
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Message 495 of 530 (537525)
11-29-2009 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by Peg
11-29-2009 4:37 AM


Nice to Know
well you set yourself up for it by using the word 'created'
Ah! I see, He had it coming 'cause he was dressed so sexy.
So you're saying we can't rely on your self restraint to not lie through your teeth if you see a opportunity. Nice to know.

It's not the man that knows the most that has the most to say.
Anon

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