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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 153 of 302 (537139)
11-27-2009 6:20 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by Huntard
11-27-2009 5:04 AM


Re: Here's mine
Huntard writes:
Well, I've heard Wounded King mention that each individual has about 100 mutations that their parents don't have. But you really should ask him about that, I don't really know
I have read elsewhere that on average it is about 30 new mutations per individual (source: 30 New Mutations per Lifetime. However only DNA mutations in the gametes (egg and sperm), heriditary germline mutations, are inheritable which probably equals to less than 1 new mutation per individual that is inheritable, I am guessing. This is not counting the hundreds or thousands of previous heriditary germline mutations that are passed down from preceding generations.
Of course this average is not counting people under extreme circumstances i.e. those exposed to excess radiation, etc which tends to push these numbers of new inheritable mutations higher.
Just my thoughts. Wounded King, correct me if I am wrong in my assumptions here.
Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 155 of 302 (537144)
11-27-2009 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by Wounded King
11-27-2009 7:09 AM


Re: Mutation rates
Awesome, thanks for the correction WK. I do learn alot from posting here as shown by these posts. Thanks for the links.

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 236 of 302 (537405)
11-28-2009 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by Bolder-dash
11-28-2009 10:59 AM


Re: Back to Basics
Oh, you mean they are not allowed to have gone to church?
Yet, 40% of scientists in America believe in some form of theistic evolution thus believing both in God and evolution. 55% believe in naturalistic evolution with no influence by God and less than 5% believe in Creationism. (source: Beliefs of American earth and life scientists
Yeah, your argument holds water. Like a sieve.
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One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It is simply too painful to acknowledge -- even to ourselves -- that we've been so credulous. - Carl Sagan, The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

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