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Author Topic:   Has natural selection really been tested and verified?
hooah212002
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Message 242 of 302 (537418)
11-28-2009 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by Bolder-dash
11-28-2009 11:37 AM


Re: Back to Basics
You may want to better specify a religion because your generaliztion pretty much applies only to Abrahamic religions, not religion in general.

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hooah212002
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Message 282 of 302 (537577)
11-29-2009 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by Bolder-dash
11-29-2009 12:25 PM


Re: natural selection, sexual selection, common ancestry
I came here to talk about any number of logical fallacies that to me are still not fully explained scientifically with how NS could have created all of these things-but I am interested in talking about the big picture, as well as the small part-so I have simply asked for examples of scientific studies which have shown near proof of the theory. Like a complex body part, be it an eye, be it an ear, or a brain, or the lymphatic system-its worthwhile to have someone say-well, here is what I BELIEVE happened, and here it what science can PROVE happened right now.
it has been pointed out to you that one thread isn't enough to cover ALL aspects. It leads to derailment (which it seems you want to happen). Evolution isn't just one study, one science. it is the study of everything in the world, everything in the past, everything on earth. So to say you want only one thread for all of that is like me asking the same in the faith section about religion. if you can't tell, this site is based on TWO subjects, this WHOLE site, and yet how many sub-forums are there? How many threads? All are in one way or another related to the main topic at hand: Evolution and/or Creationism.
if you want to know how RM or NS helped evolve the eye, start a thread about that.
If you want to know how RM or NS helped evolve the ear, start a thread about that.
You can't start a thread asking one thing, then change it to "give me all the evidence for evolution" (hint: that's alot of what this ENTIRE site does)
All participants have tried their hardest to accomodate YOU and answer your myriad of questions. However, the questions keep changing.

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hooah212002
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Message 287 of 302 (537589)
11-29-2009 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by RAZD
11-29-2009 1:29 PM


Re: have fun
Does this mean that you have decided to declared victory and are now taking your leave .... before actually dealing with the questions of what you mean by "evolutionary change" and "complexity" .... one wonders why?
Hopefully not. Hopefully it means this thread is dead, and he is going to start individual threads on the individual subjects as has been suggested to him.

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hooah212002
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Message 290 of 302 (537600)
11-29-2009 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Bolder-dash
11-29-2009 2:31 PM


Re: have fun
For instance, one of the "tests" presented to show NS is real was the study of the kuru resistance in New Guinea
Proffessor John Collinge writes:
"It's absolutely fascinating to see Darwinian principles at work here. This community of people has developed their own biologically unique response to a truly terrible epidemic. The fact that this genetic evolution has happened in a matter of decades is remarkable."
Professor John Collinge, Director of the Medical Research Council (MRC) Prion Unit
Oh, but you know better than this professor, right?
Now, I can certainly understand why so many people WANT to believe in NS, because it is the only theory that can protect their believe in atheism. No other theory will do that. So even if a test shows otherwise, its best to still believe it MIGHT be true. Because once NS is not enough to explain things, all hope is lost. There is no other theory that is going to give you the random mutations you need to believe in atheism. Once the randomness is gone, your entire world view is gone, and that is not something most people will readily accept, so they will interrupt all data the way they want it.
1: Atheism is not a belief
2: Have you ever heard of a theostic-evolutionist? The Catholic Church? Is the Catholic Church an atheist group? I guess one of our own (catholic scientist) is actually an atheist, huh?
3: Natural Selection is but one mechanism in the study of evolution.
4: Evolution has nothing at all to do with atheism, atheism nothing to do with evolution.
Until you can come to grips with at least those 4 things, you are forever lost. Carry on my wayward son, there'll be peace when you are done.
I believe one person said, the scientific community is more open minded about accepting flaws in the theory of gravity than they are in the theory of evolution.
I bet that person was a creationist, huh?

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