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Coyote
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Message 6 of 191 (538269)
12-05-2009 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Jazzns
12-05-2009 12:06 AM


Global warming is real!
Global warming is real, and it started about 15,000 years ago. Otherwise we'd still in an ice age.
Since then sea levels have risen about 400-430 feet.
A little more warming won't be too much of a problem. It would actually help most of the industrialized northern hemisphere.
Global cooling or another ice age would be a real problem. Imagine 2-3 miles of ice stacked up all along the Canadian border and the northern US, with all of the climate zones shifted proportionately south. As in way south!
Given the current status of the climate research, we can't be sure which way we're headed. The research has been hijacked by zealots out to confirm their chosen beliefs, as these recent hacks have shown.
When we're betting trillions of dollars we really do need accurate data. And we need fewer zealots masquerading as scientists.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 17 of 191 (538299)
12-05-2009 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by ZenMonkey
12-05-2009 2:41 AM


Re: Global warming is real!
While a much longer post would be required to go into the facts of global climate change, let me just point one thing out. Global warming (and not much of it) can melt large chunks of the Greenland ice mass (already happening) and that flood of colder water would then change the course of the warm water currents from the equator to the North Atlantic (inevitably) and thus drop the temperature of the entire North Atlantic sufficiently to kick Europe into a deep freeze (not a good thing).
That very thing happened not too long ago.
A warm cycle, the Medieval Warm Period, was followed closely by the Little Ice Age, with the effects you describe for Europe.
Near as I can tell, human activity was not shown to be a cause of either.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 82 of 191 (538564)
12-07-2009 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Dr Adequate
12-07-2009 4:23 PM


Re: BUZSAW 2, OPPOSITION 2
P.S: do mathematicians count as scientists for the purposes of keeping score?
If all mathematicians do is keep score they are fine. ;-)
But I believe that they are not scientists unless they use their mathematical tools to answer scientific questions (i.e., questions outside of mathematics). Mathematics itself is not science.

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