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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I didn't notice your message 45. That's why in message 77 I gave them a link you download all the emails from my account. I will keep freely distributing these emails until someone actually give me direct quotes from them to support their claim of this international fraud. They can shove these quotes up my ass all they want.
But then of course, if they can't support their claim with quotes from the emails and yet they continue to make the accusation, it is now a libel or slander, which is a lie. If they can't give me direct quotes and not apologize, I will rightly call them liars from now on. Added by edit. Just watched fox news last night. Hannity was saying, and I quote, "now that we've proven conclusively that global warming is a lie..." And yet this liar couldn't even give us a single other quote from the one that's involved the word "trick" that everyone has been using. We've shown conclusively that this particular quote is taken completely out of context. Seriously do these christians not follow their own 10 commandments? Thou shalt not lie, freakin liars. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Fine if you don't have time to read all the emails. Surely, these blogs you link to have quotes from the emails. Just copy these quotes and cite them here. You said "questionable ones" so I'm assuming you know of at least 2 questionable emails. Surely, these blogs you link to have them cited. Like the old saying goes, show us the money.
Added by edit. I didn't even need to go read people's blogs. I saw these quotes directly from major news networks and immediately saw right away that they were shown out of context. I've done everything from scientific research to law enforcement. As you can see, the professions I have gone through required me to write reports (lots of them). I can recognize misquotes from a mile away. Goodness knows, my police reports have been taken out of context on multiple occasions. In one instance, a blood sucking lawyer even tried to confuse me with my own report. I had to point out to him that the sentence he was quoting meant something completely different from what he was claiming if taken in context with the very next sentence. After I pointed this out, he played dumb and pretended he didn't understand. I spent the next 30 minutes explaining these 2 sentences and their context in regard to the event. It's a game that lawyers often play to try to confuse everyone in court, including the LEO. As you can see, I'm particularly sensitive about this issue of misquoting people. I think it's immoral. I think people who advertise these misquotes are shameless liars, especially after being shown that these are misquotes. But I'm willing to be shown wrong. All you have to do is bring some quotes from these blogs you are so fond of. Show us from the emails where the conspiracy is. If you can't produce these quotes, I think the moral thing for you to do is apologize for the accusation. That is if you're really as moral as you claim to be. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
JUC writes:
No, it's the same message. I'm just a lot more blunt than them. What you are saying doesn't agree with what the scientists and politicians are telling us. It took literally hundreds of millions of years for the Earth's biosphere to gather up all the carbon and put them in the ground in the form of fossil fuel. It literally took us 200 years to release them back into the atmosphere. What do you think happens to all that carbon if we suddenly stop all our carbon burning activities? They don't just magically disappear. And let's admit it. The world's economies are based almost entirely on carbon. The resistance to change from capitalists to a greener economy will be nothing short of an all out political and financial war. Personally, I'm pessimistic on this front. But I've been known to be wrong once or twice in my life time
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
HA!
quote: Looking at the whole email...
quote:First of all, I'm not going to pretend I know what the hell any of this means. And neither should the liars. I'm sure someone else can do a better job at interpreting this email than I can. What I can say is I've written lots and lots and lots of reports in other areas. I know what the word "trick" means in scientific lit, and it's definitely not what the liars want people to think. It means a clever or a different way at interpreting the data. It doesn't mean change the data or committing fraud. The hide the decline part could mean anything. Why do they insist on it to mean hiding the decline in global temperature? Look at the email again. It looks like climatologist lingo to me. Why do I say this? Because when I communicate via email with other cops, I use cop lingo that could be misinterpreted by dumbfucks... I mean civilians. It doesn't mean we have a vast conspiracy to enslave the civilian population. There you have it. I don't know what the hell the email means since it's written in climatologist lingo. But I do know that it could be interpreted in a hell of a lot of different ways. I'm sure there will be a press release soon from the scientists to explain what the hell it means.
quote: The whole email as well as previous emails...
quote: Again, more climatologist lingo. My best interpretation is they're talking about the effects of El Nino on the temperature versus the projected temperature. Again, nothing in there indicates fraud or conspiracy. What I did notice from reading these emails is they're using very casual language in their own climatologist lingo. This is far different from the "secret documents" portrayed by fundamentalists. Who else wants to take a stab at this?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Buz, you've been using this plant thing for a long time now, at least two years since I first saw you used it on here. Not going to bend over backwards anymore for you. As is the plant kingdom which produces oxygen which survival of the human and animal kingdom is based upon, which supplies the plant kingdom.......which.......which...etc. The Earth doesn't care whether the atmosphere has more carbon dioxide or not. The plants don't care whether the atmosphere has more carbon dioxide or not. But people do. Based on your logic, might as well say animal life is dependent on water. Therefore, we should flood the whole planet so everything could happily live in water. Here's another one. Praying is good for you. Therefore, people should do nothing but pray all day long. My grandfather used to say: too much of anything is never a good thing. Carbon dioxide may be necessary for the plant kingdom, but as people goes we don't necessarily want too much of it. Ever heard of a thing called pollen and allergies? Added by edit. The fact that you put any message at all here tells me you're still here. Let's discuss about the emails. Someone else has posted a few for you. All you have to do now is tell us what you think. As you can see in the message just above, I freely admit I'm totally ignorant in climatologist lingo. Should be a walk in the park for you to shove it up my ass. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
ZenMonkey writes:
Doesn't surprise me. Every time someone finds out I'm a cop, he always tries to give me advice on how to do my job. It's like people feel compelled to tell me what they think cops should and should not do.
why is it that creationists and climate change deniers alike seem to think that scientists are complete idiots in the very fields in which they are experts?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Iblis writes:
I've been known to give people half a dozen tickets for bullshit violations like improper lane usage and one tail light for reminding me that I work for them. Why? Because the reminder tells me I have to work twice as hard for their tax money's worth. Also, I tend to take my time writing out the citations when people are mouthy. A 15 minute stop could magically turn into a 45 minute wait. And the fun I always have with DUI's and possession of contraband... Oh, and there's also the fact that you work for us. Zenmonkey, I know what you mean. Like I said in another post, I've worked in research, programming, laboring, teaching, etc. If there's one thing I've learned in the professions I've tried out is that I ain't got nothin' down yet. It's a humbling experience to know that there are people who are far smarter than me and that there are people who can do what I do a hundred times better. This is why I always get cranky on here when I see people who think they're better at the said subject than the experts. It's like one of the criteria of believing in jesus... you have to know everything about every field of human knowledge. It's annoying as hell to watch people practically proclaim "I'm smarter than all those scientists haw haw haw!" Edited by Taz, : Fixed grammar. See? Even in grammar, there are people who can write far better than me.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
penstemo writes:
This is one of the most typical comments made by deniers. Based on this same logic, I could say that everyone here realizes that life on our planet would not exist as we know it without water. Therefore, the commenter implies, we should all go and live at the bottom of the ocean since water is the source of life on Earth. Hopefully, everyone here realizes that life on our planet would not exist as we know it without greenhouse gases. Your comment is as ridiculous as saying the sky is blue or snow is white. While true, it adds absolutely no useful information to the debate while giving a vague leaning toward one side of the debate. Nobody is denying that greenhouse gases were very important to life on this planet. Just like nobody is stupid enough to deny that water is an essential part of life. This doesn't mean that we want to drown in water anymore than we want too much green house gases in the atmosphere. And let me repeat. The planet doesn't care about global warming. Plants don't care about global warming. Most life on Earth couldn't give a rats ass about global warming. But people do. Edited by Taz, : No reason given. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
'Climategate' review clears scientists of dishonesty - CNN.com
quote: I want an apology from every person who quote-mined those scientists. And I want Glen Beck's head on a platter.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Bump.
Because I have a feeling only a few people noticed my update on the matter because of the dark ages in evc. I also don't want to see people repeating a lie a couple months from now (ahem *buzsaw*).
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
nwr writes:
This is probably the most disappointing part of it all. For a month, they talked about the emails. They only mentioned the correction a couple seconds on their segments. The original (false) charges of climate gate made for drama, and the were all over the media. The correction is merely boring, so is largely ignored by the media. It will be like piltdown man. Decades after the fact and people will continue to repeat the lie saying scientists created the hoax.
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