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Blue Jay
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From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts
Joined: 02-04-2008


Message 106 of 219 (540063)
12-21-2009 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by onifre
12-21-2009 2:23 PM


Re: A Literary Critique
onifre writes:
You sound like my ex-wife.
I try.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)
Darwin loves you.

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RAZD
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Posts: 20714
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004


Message 107 of 219 (540448)
12-25-2009 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Blue Jay
12-21-2009 1:53 PM


Re: A Literary Critique
Hi Bluejay, felicitous festivals to you,
It looks like it wants to be a limerick,
Not all aabba verse is limerick, as you say, for there is a meter of insouciance involved in any good limerick
a limerick is a kind of verse
some call "ad-" or even worse,
usually writ
with a little wit
but just a bit per verse.
Hope you'll enjoy the season of the winter solstice without strain or pain, and find cheer where it is best found.
Enjoy.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel American Zen Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


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RAZD
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Posts: 20714
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004


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Message 108 of 219 (540450)
12-25-2009 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Straggler
12-21-2009 4:40 PM


Re: Rap Attack - The Rhyme Off Continues
But since when did that ever stop me here?
When did anything stop you? Certainly
reasoned argument versus fallacy after fallacy
hasn't done the task.
It seems too much to ask
when logic's exposed your evidential inadequacy
but adversity is not the spirit of the season
so let this end, to some folks' pleasin:
when it comes to rhyme
I've done the time
and I'll leave the argument to reason.
I know this is probably overkill.
Only for one who believes they can ignore reality and the several logical problems with their position/s. Curiously, the ability to rhyme does not mean one has the ability to make a cogent argument, or that one deals with the actual issues in the process.
So you get an oscar for the longest pointless rhyme.
Enjoy

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel American Zen Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


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Straggler
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From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


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Message 109 of 219 (540593)
12-26-2009 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by onifre
12-21-2009 7:23 PM


EvC Forum Cast And Crew. This Rhyme Is All About YOU.
Oh Oni what have you done? You really should not encourage me when it comes to this sort of thing. The past couple of days I have been noting down every single dumbass thought and rhyme that makes me chuckle and grin exactly as I used to do 20 odd years ago. As a punk-ass white boy it used to be my way of getting my own back on the school bullies and generally garnering some sort of respect as a teenager. Anyway - Here is my latest (and I promise last ever) EvC rap effort.
Talk about reality and evidentiality. Sometimes morality. Express your personality.
Welcome to EvC forum.
Where the members are the quorum.
EvC cast and crew.
This rhyme is all about YOU.
Let's start this story at the very top of the tree.
With the man who started E-V-C.
As Admin cat he shows no mercy.
The one and only. The main man Percy.
He pays the bills. Provides the thrills and spills.
Who stays who goes. Is as he wills.
He writes the code. He runs the servers.
Likes to take part. Still finds time to observe us.
One pass. Two pass. Three pass. Four?
No way Jose! You'll be shown the door.
Aided and abetted by Moose and Mod
Watchin over us while we talk about god.
Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
The tension mounts. On with the message count.
The mighty Mod. What can I say?
Always on target. Never astray.
While all around are losing their heads.
The moderate one enhances threads.
Logically methodologically posting periodically.
Always excels at epistemology.
On that note I will progress.
Except to say the London meet was a suc-cess.
Next on the list is badass Rahvin
Leaves his opponents logically malnourished. Argumentally starving.
Faith based irrationality gets a carving.
Like meat off the bone. Quick hand me a phone. Dial 911 and take a step back because the Rahv is on the attack.
Blood goes everywhere. Deists dare not even stare. Theists cry it's not fair. He just doesn't care. Limbs fly here and there.
Creos get a wicked scare. Leaves them cold and bare. Fills them with despair.
Because Everybody is aware...
That Rahvin - is immense.
Dismissing the logically flawed, evidentially poor and intellectually dense.
Next we turn to the Tazmanian Devil
He likes to party. He likes to revel.
On the subject of perversity he likes to promote diversity.
Yeah he enjoys adversity.
But apparent-ly his special-ity is the moral-ity of sexual-ity.
For those who don't know. He's a fan of bestial-ity.
Sex external to the normal family trees.
Even that mangey dog? Hell dude it's got fleas!
And what on Earth have you done to that chicken? Whatever it was it looks shell shocked and stricken.
The entire menagerie - they're all praying. Having nightmares at the inclinations he's displaying.
No offence dude. Really I'm only playing.
But what is that noise? Why is that a donkey braying?
Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
The suspensions mount. On with the body count.
Onifre. Makes me spit beer.
With his jokes, cynicism and malicious cheer.
Paranoid schizoid with comic idle ten-dencies.
Should we be worried about his narcotic de-pen-dencies?
In political threads he's had me on my knees.
But more often than not - we agree.
Conspiratorial maniac. Doesn't take any flak.
Always up for the crack. Much enjoyed my rap attack.
If he comes to London we'll meet - This is true.
Hang out. Drink brews. Smack a bigot or two.
CS - He's agnostic to cheese.
He's the member I most like to tease.
Every slice of pizza is a voyage of discovery.
Buy shares in mozzarella. Aid the financial recovery.
He says gods and dogs are equally evidenced.
While LindaLou squeels "RAZD for world president!"
For Christs sake. Why don't those two get a room?
Gaze adoringly while they ponder the morphic fields of shrooms.
Do not disturb sign on the door.
Inside they expose their "logical flaws".
Talking of RAZD and his perception of reality. I really should just leave him be.
Something of a nemesis. Of dissing him I should desist. I really really must resist. Posting rhymes when I am pissed.
Whether god does exist. Time to put down our fists. Shake hands and clear the mist.
But having said that. I won't be on his Xmas list.
And besides. Our resident deist - He's been dealt with elsewhere on my playlist.
Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
The tension mounts. On with the thread count.
Legend. The fearful one.
Thinks he'd be safer if we all had guns.
What a fantastic story he has spun.
Confusing dictionary definitions with legal ones.
Is he hateful or is he not.
Intends to have all - the English shot.
Why so angry? What is his motivation?
He yells "thought crime" and accuses me of basic rights violations.
Obviously thinks Fox news is true. About society does he have a clue?
Him and Hyro too. Sometimes I think they been sniffin glue.
Destined to disagree with liberals like me through and through.
(**BLINK**) Did you just say that?
Some here say he's quite a twat.
But I think this is because his arguments are hard to manage.
With facts and questions he does a-lot of damage
Cannot be pinned down. Or disparaged.
Opponents get the death march and a horse drawn carriage.
But whatever you do - just don't mention gay sex - or marriage.
I think the Granny is under-rated.
About time she was congratulated.
She exposes those who say god created.
Tells them in detail how life mutated
Leaving their lies dev-astated.
All this she does with great aplomb.
Creos scattered.
Hit by her intell-ec-tual bomb.
Buzsaw. He drives me mad.
But when he returned I was glad.
His topic is bending bars.
And how light travels from the stars.
Very confused by thermodynamics.
Don't even start on quantum mechanics.
Which brings me to Cave-diver.
In the realm of physics there is none wiser.
SonGoku is chief quantum advisor.
With his knowledge he aint no miser.
I urge you to checkout his QM master-class.
After uni such opportunities are all too sparse.
Inflation, big Bang and black holes.
Take a seat if education is yer goal.
Higgs Boson and the L-H-C
We're talkin phenomenal energy.
The forums top physicists. One's a dry derisionist. Once a believer now a naturalist.
Guiding us all through the mist. Scientific spacialists.
That make EvC a cut above the rest.
ICANT should be "I can't compre-hend".
Driving us all around the bend.
ICANT or Smoothy - who is worse?
When conversing things get terse.
Both guaranteed to make you curse.
Both so fucking confused about the universe.
Sucked into their uncomprehending ways.
Left goggle eyed confused and dazed.
Quick before your brain turns to jelly.
Follow Brian's example and smack yer head into - a telly.
Ones geocentric. The other just eccentric. Thinking is concentric.
ICANT wants to know when time began.
Prefers eternity to the Big-Bang.
But just accept he will never under-stan
Forget Newton. He has the conceptual level of Neanderthal man.
Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
The tension mounts. On with the message count.
Petrophysics needs a verbal kicking.
Love to feed him one of Taz's chickens.
Suffers from attention deficit dis-order.
Animal or vegetable? I'd say he's on the border.
Briterican. He's quite new.
Cheery posts. Much sense. And truth.
Creation or evo-lution?
Evidence is the only solution.
Creos like to spread the confusion.
Because the truth is an inconvenient intrusion.
Into biblical reality. But evidentiality is Doc A's speciality.
Testing and prediction. Distinguish fact from fiction.
And note the precise diction. That is his prediliction.
Post of the Month. For those that make the grade.
Unlike message ratings. This is a true acco-lade.
Who else is is here at EvCee?
Iano, Otto and Peq are but three.
A more varied bunch there could never be.
That's this forums main qual-ity.
Gotta give a shout-out to Bluejay.
Helping us look at faith in new ways.
To many others for me to mention.
Go on too long I'll get a suspension.
So last and very much least is me.
Old school wigga.
Re-invigorated MC.
Dissed ya dismissed ya some I even blessed ya.
But I'm only having fun. None of you did I mean to shun.
Had my phasor only set to stun. Wasn't out to kill any-one.
You see this is all a game.
Discuss, debate, argue - I don't care the name.
Entertains me. Keeps my days from being all the same.
If you don't like it. That's a shame.
It's not my fault. I've got Oni to blame.
Talk about reality and evidentiality. Sometimes morality. Express your personality.
Evasion conflation mass accusations. Protestation of misrepresen-tation.
Evolution against creation. Often leads to aggravation.
Welcome to EvC forum.
Where the members are the quorum.
EvC forum cast and crew.
This rhyme has been all about - YOU.
Peace and love to the EvC posse 2009. Yeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh Booooooooooyyyyy
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
Edited by Straggler, : Silly changes

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Meldinoor
Member (Idle past 4808 days)
Posts: 400
From: Colorado, USA
Joined: 02-16-2009


Message 110 of 219 (540594)
12-26-2009 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Straggler
12-26-2009 6:03 PM


Re: EvC Forum Cast And Crew. This Rhyme Is All About YOU.
Insane, but I like it.
5 stars. Just don't forget to mention Meldinoor in your next rhyme, MC.
Respectfully,
-Meldinoor

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Straggler
Member
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 111 of 219 (540595)
12-26-2009 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by RAZD
12-25-2009 10:59 AM


You Ain't Seen Nuthin Yet
RAZD writes:
So you get an oscar for the longest pointless rhyme.
Oh you ain't seen nuthin yet!! Message 109
RAZD writes:
Curiously, the ability to rhyme does not mean one has the ability to make a cogent argument, or that one deals with the actual issues in the process.
Curiously I think that was all done and dusted well before the rhyming started.
But like I said when I get bored enough I'll start a thread on the objectification of subjectivity and you are more than welcome to take part if you think your position can hold up to it.
Happy New year

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Buzsaw
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Message 112 of 219 (540600)
12-26-2009 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Straggler
12-26-2009 6:03 PM


Re: EvC Forum Cast And Crew. This Rhyme Is All About YOU.
Straggler writes:
Here is my latest (and I promise last ever) EvC rap effort.
Hi Strag. Nice work; definitely a five-er, but hey man, next time you're inspired, bless us with more!

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Briterican
Member (Idle past 3948 days)
Posts: 340
Joined: 05-29-2008


Message 113 of 219 (540601)
12-26-2009 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Straggler
12-26-2009 6:03 PM


Re: EvC Forum Cast And Crew. This Rhyme Is All About YOU.
Straggler writes:
Logically methodologically posting periodically.
Always excels at epistemology.
Really good stuff Thanks for going to the effort! I really like the above phrase hehe, not sure I've ever heard "epistemology" in a rhyme hehe.
Edited by Briterican, : No reason given.

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onifre
Member (Idle past 2950 days)
Posts: 4854
From: Dark Side of the Moon
Joined: 02-20-2008


Message 114 of 219 (540683)
12-27-2009 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Straggler
12-26-2009 6:03 PM


Strag MC strikes again with a vicious rhyme
Been out of the country for a few, just getting to see the latest and greatest lyrical masterpiece from Strag MC.
Once again, sick dude!
Oh Oni what have you done? You really should not encourage me when it comes to this sort of thing. The past couple of days I have been noting down every single dumbass thought and rhyme that makes me chuckle and grin exactly as I used to do 20 odd years ago.
That's awesome! Fuck yea dude. I hope that feeling felt good, creativity is what breaks us free from the normal and mondaine.
As a punk-ass white boy it used to be my way of getting my own back on the school bullies and generally garnering some sort of respect as a teenager.
With lyrics like these it seems like you grew up in 8 Mile.
All great stuff - just a few of my favs:
While all around are losing their heads.
The moderate one enhances threads.
Logically methodologically posting periodically.
Always excels at epistemology.
And what on Earth have you done to that chicken? Whatever it was it looks shell shocked and stricken.
The entire menagerie - they're all praying. Having nightmares at the inclinations he's displaying.
No offence dude. Really I'm only playing.
But what is that noise? Why is that a donkey braying?
He says gods and dogs are equally evidenced.
While LindaLou squeeks "RAZD for world president!"
For Christs sake. Why don't those two get a room?
Gaze adoringly while they ponder the morphic fields of shrooms.
His topic is bending bars.
And how light travels from the stars.
Very confused by thermodynamics.
Don't even start on quantum mechanics.
But, my #1 pic, which, if you we battling, would be the lyric we'd all start shouting for:
Quick before your brain turns to jelly.
Follow Brian's example and smack yer head into - a telly.
Ones geocentric. The other just eccentric. Thinking is concentric.
ICANT wants to know when time began.
Prefers eternity to the Big-Bang.
But just accept he will never under-stan
Forget Newton. He has the conceptual level of Neanderthal man.
Brilliant. Seriously. Glad I could motivate you to write this dude. Secretly though, my favorite lyrics were the ones that talked about me.
You should have been tougher on petro(the bitch)physics.
EvC forum cast and crew.
This rhyme has been all about - YOU.
Worrrrrd to ya mutha!
- Oni

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Straggler
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Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 115 of 219 (540695)
12-27-2009 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by onifre
12-27-2009 2:49 PM


Re: Strag MC strikes again with a vicious rhyme
Oni writes:
With lyrics like these it seems like you grew up in 8 Mile.
Did I mention that I grew up in a trailer and was raised by Kim Bassinger?
Oni writes:
You should have been tougher on petro(the bitch)physics.
I agree. And I did. But it just got blatantly abusive. So I left it out.
Anyway glad you enjoyed but enough is enough. I am doing the modern day equivalent of when my dad used to get drunk and sing Dylan lyrics. It was when he tried to dance that I had to leave the room. The grasping of rekindled youth by the middle aged is never an attractive sight.
Enough.
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Straggler
Member
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 116 of 219 (540721)
12-28-2009 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by Meldinoor
12-26-2009 6:12 PM


Re: EvC Forum Cast And Crew. This Rhyme Is All About YOU.
Meldi writes:
Just don't forget to mention Meldinoor in your next rhyme, MC.
Whilst I am tempted to write you a verse I have sworn to hang up my EvC microphone. Apologies to you and anyone else I left out. I could have gone on much longer but still would have missed out plenty of people.
And anyway writing the more abusive rhymes about those you disagree with is far more fun

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 117 of 219 (540824)
12-29-2009 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Straggler
12-26-2009 6:03 PM


Re: EvC Forum Cast And Crew. This Rhyme Is All About YOU.
That's impressive. Good job.
He says gods and dogs are equally evidenced.
and you say that the absence of evidence is evidence of absence and that there being no empirical evidence for gods means that they must not exist.

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Straggler
Member
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 118 of 219 (540832)
12-29-2009 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by New Cat's Eye
12-29-2009 11:46 AM


Re: EvC Forum Cast And Crew. This Rhyme Is All About YOU.
CS writes:
That's impressive. Good job.
Thanks. I think.
CS writes:
From Message 302
CS writes:
Straggler writes:
Well do you think a claim that someone heard a dog in their backyard and a claim that someone experienced god are evidentially equivalent?
For a single isolated experience (the scenario I brought up), yes.
You gotta admit that taken at face value this is kinda hilarious and very piss-take worthy?
CS writes:
and you say that the absence of evidence is evidence of absence and that there being no empirical evidence for gods means that they must not exist.
Nah. Because as we have all agreed, including you and RAZD, there is not and can never be a complete absence of all objective evidence. And "must"? Nah. Because as we have all agreed certainty is not an option when making evidenced based arguments. Only likelihood. But if you wanna disagree again we start yet another thread and go over it all yet again. If you want.
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 119 of 219 (540851)
12-29-2009 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Straggler
12-29-2009 12:31 PM


Re: EvC Forum Cast And Crew. This Rhyme Is All About YOU.
CS writes:
That's impressive. Good job.
Thanks. I think.
It was a sincere compliment. The rhythm and rhymes were really good in my ignorant opinion (I really only like metal and never listen(ed) to much rap).
But if you wanna disagree again we start yet another thread and go over it all yet again. If you want.
No thanks.
And had I known that you were gonna take me out of context to have a laugh rather than put in an honest effort into understanding my position then I would have been more reserved.

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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1405 days)
Posts: 20714
From: the other end of the sidewalk
Joined: 03-14-2004


Message 120 of 219 (540902)
12-29-2009 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Straggler
12-29-2009 12:31 PM


Reality & the blind atheist oscar?
Dear Straggler, basking in the glow of appreciation for your rap-ability, please:
Because as we have all agreed, including you and RAZD, there is not and can never be a complete absence of all objective evidence.
What we agree is that objective evidence exists, it just doesn't necessarily apply to your position, and you have to employ several logical fallacies in order to assume such connections.
We all agree that there is mountains of objective evidence that mushrooms grow in the dark at night under a new moon when it rains - this just doesn't happen to show that god/s do not, or cannot, exist, just that mushrooms grow in the dark at night under a new moon when it rains.
We also agree that there is objective empirical evidence that shows certain details of certain maps to be inaccurate in those details (the early conceptions of gravity being such a case), but that these inaccuracies do not invalidate the terrain (mountains, etc) being portrayed, only the specific portrayals - and thus these too do not show that god/s do not, or cannot, exist, just that the portrayals are not valid representations.
Only likelihood.
Also falsified, (see previous for summary falsification) leaving you once again as a pseudoskeptic, employing logical fallacy after logical fallacy, attempting to support a position that is by definition and form logically invalid from the start.
What you have is only possibility.
You can sing and you can dance, but your personal opinion cannot change this reality, as, curiously, reality is unconcerned about your opinions, biases, preconceptions, and beliefs. Nor does reality need to be put into verse in order to falsify your position/s.
I could say that your apparent inability to see\understand\recognize this simple set of facts earns you the blind-atheist oscar, and award of equal value to the blind-theist oscar (whatever? johnjohn10:10 etc?)
Enjoy.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand
Rebel American Zen Deist
... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


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