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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Many of you have heard the phrase, Wake Up And Smell The Coffee! This topic is about focusing a discussion on news, trends, and patterns that we as a nation and as individuals need to become aware of as we enter the new year, 2010. Specifically, what are some of the events happening throughout the world that we would do well to pay close attention to? What are some of the domestic problems that if left unsolved will only get worse and, in time, do as much as bring the country down?
I shall get the conversation started.
Edited by Phat, : dropped global warming. Other threads address it already
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Does anyone else have any predictions for what challenges we as a nation may face within the next ten years?
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Phat,
I think many of the problems that await us this century are no longer of just national importance. I think problems like climate change, food production, energy production, water management, worldwide demographics, to name a few, are things that we need to tackle on an international level. O, and I also think we need to get rid of religion, because it raises more problems than it solves. But I guess you would be inclined to disagree on that point. "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
parasomnium writes: I think that religious fundamentalism is one of the chief reasons for international terrorism. And the only challenge regarding tackling problems on an international level is consensus. Is it possible?
I think many of the problems that await us this century are no longer of just national importance. I think problems like climate change, food production, energy production, water management, worldwide demographics, to name a few, are things that we need to tackle on an international level. O, and I also think we need to get rid of religion, because it raises more problems than it solves. But I guess you would be inclined to disagree on that point.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Parasomnium writes: O, and I also think we need to get rid of religion, because it raises more problems than it solves. But I guess you would be inclined to disagree on that point. Hi Parasomnium. How do you propose we obliterate religion? Obviously debating it's merrits and promoting athiesm has failed to achieve your desire. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5027 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: How do you propose we obliterate religion? Education, education, education!! "We must respect the law, not let it blind us away from the basic principles of fairness, justice and freedom"
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Phat writes: I think that religious fundamentalism is one of the chief reasons for international terrorism. And the only challenge regarding tackling problems on an international level is consensus. Is it possible? Hi Phat. Surely you have enough knowledge and intelligence to know that is an unsupportable assertion. Tell it like it is. Islamic politico-religious fundamentalism is the one chief reason for international terrorism. Perhaps if you wish to support your foolish assumption you could cite evidence that Christian fundamentalism or even other non-Christian fundamentalists are the chief reason for international terrorism today on planet earth. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Legend writes: Education, education, education!! Hi Legend. Ah. But thanks to athiest and secularistic agendas and policies, education is being increasingly restricted, allowing only secularistic ideology in the classrooms, with secularist education ever predominating. But alas, as since the recording of history began, milleniums ago, all human cultures remain religious. Must the human DNA be artificially altered in order to mutate out this universal religious preponderance? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5027 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined:
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Hi Buz,
Buzzsaw writes:
Education isn't about ideology, education is about presenting the facts and let the students decide for themselves. Unfortunately (for you), religion relies heavily on faith rather than facts so I can understand you objecting to the idea.
But thanks to athiest and secularistic agendas and policies, education is being increasingly restricted, allowing only secularistic ideology in the classrooms, with secularist education ever predominating. Buzzsaw writes:
They also remain murderous, hateful and otherwise violent. Reckon there's a connection there?
But alas, as since the recording of history began, milleniums ago, all human cultures remain religious. Buzzsaw writes:
If it was a DNA issue then my answer would have been: Biology, biology, biology! Fortunately it isn't a DNA issue, simply a question of opening up the human mind to eradicate fear, prejudice and superstition. Must the human DNA be artificially altered in order to mutate out this universal religious preponderance? "We must respect the law, not let it blind us away from the basic principles of fairness, justice and freedom"
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Hi Parasomnium. How do you propose we obliterate religion? Obviously debating it's merrits and promoting athiesm has failed to achieve your desire. Dennett has a slightly more acheivable short term goal, which is to try an reduce the number of toxic varieties of religious belief. This requires free (as in both open and at no cost) religious education. Toxic religions seem to thrive on enforced ignorance of other ideas. But the debating, the openly 'coming out' of philosophers, scientists, comedians, actors etc etc, does seem to be having an impact. We'll have to wait to see the results of the censuses before we can really see what the impact is. Various polls have revealed a significant increase in the 'non-affliliated' category of religion - which seems to be the best start that can be reasonably expected towards these kinds of goals. The God Delusion was published in 2006 and in the UK the situation was that the number of non-religious and the Christian were approximately equal (the non-religious gaining ground on the slightly dominant Christianity), as per this graph. It'll be interesting to see if 'non religion' continues to gain strength as it has in the rest of Europe. What will really be interesting is watching how Islam continues to react with Atheism in Europe and Christianity in the US. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Phat writes: [...] the only challenge regarding tackling problems on an international level is consensus. Is it possible? Consensus, yes, of course. But look at Copenhagen: there another perennial problem of our leaders became embarrassingly clear: their single minded focus on the political and economical effects of whatever they decide on all these important matters. As long as they only have their eyes on their re-election in a few years' time, or on short term economical development, they'll never get even close to solutions that work. And that's just the democratic leaders. What about China, for example? They weren't exactly cooperative.
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Hello Buz,
Legend has already answered you initial question to me, and said what I would have said.
Buzsaw writes: [...] thanks to athiest and secularistic agendas and policies, education is being increasingly restricted, allowing only secularistic ideology in the classrooms, with secularist education ever predominating. That's sounds a bit paranoid. And I think you've got it the wrong way around: secular education is less restricted, in that it teaches the facts, without pushing one particular interpretation over others. In secular education it's possible - in my country anyway - to learn about different faiths without having one of them forced upon you.
[...] since the recording of history began, milleniums ago, all human cultures remain religious. As you well know, we've only had a few centuries of what can be called modern science now; before that, everything we really knew about the world could be written down on a single sheet of vellum, and then there'd still be room for the Lord's Prayer. And besides, most people weren't literate enough to be able to read even that.
Must the human DNA be artificially altered in order to mutate out this universal religious preponderance? Not the DNA, no. But some memes need to be replaced, is all. "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2972 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Perhaps if you wish to support your foolish assumption you could cite evidence that Christian fundamentalism or even other non-Christian fundamentalists are the chief reason for international terrorism today on planet earth. Don't let the US media and their anti-Islamic agenda fool you , Buz. You actually think there are no christian fundamentalist terrorist groups internationally, or non-Islamic terrorist groups? Wow!
source quote: These are just the Christian terrorist groups. Let me know if you need all the non-Islaimc/non-Christian terrorist groups......... Change the channel from FoxNews just one time, Buz! - Oni
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Modulous writes: Dennett has a slightly more acheivable short term goal, which is to try an reduce the number of toxic varieties of religious belief. This requires free (as in both open and at no cost) religious education. Toxic religions seem to thrive on enforced ignorance of other ideas. Hi Modulous. So who is to determine what determines relitious toxicity? "Enforced ignorance of other (?) ideas. You mean like parents taking their children to Sunday School and church whether they wish to go or not? In your view, is this enforced ignorance happening in our nation? But the debating, the openly 'coming out' of philosophers, scientists, comedians, actors etc etc, does seem to be having an impact. We'll have to wait to see the results of the censuses before we can really see what the impact is. Various polls have revealed a significant increase in the 'non-affliliated' category of religion - which seems to be the best start that can be reasonably expected towards these kinds of goals. Non affiliated category? What would be some examples of this?
Modulous writes: The God Delusion was published in 2006 and in the UK the situation was that the number of non-religious and the Christian were approximately equal (the non-religious gaining ground on the slightly dominant Christianity), as per this graph. It'll be interesting to see if 'non religion' continues to gain strength as it has in the rest of Europe. For sure it will so long as the non-religious POV prevails in American schools where, unlike the first 200 years, practice of religion is forbidden.
Modulous writes: What will really be interesting is watching how Islam continues to react with Atheism in Europe and Christianity in the US. LOL! All that has kept Islam at bay the past 1300+ years has been opposing religious entities. The trend of government in America in recent decades has been leniency on the practice of Islam while imposing restrictions on the practice of Christianity. Start weaving your prayer rug, ye athiests and all of the rest of ye infidel unbelievers of Mohammed and Allah. The Nation Of Islam marches on with the blessings of the president whom they and all of Islam supported. Their prophet's predicted proclamation to populate, police and possess the planet appears apocalyptic. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2285 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
$5 says Buz's reply will be along the lines of "Those aren't real Christians", because he after all is the sole arbiter of who is and isn't a Christian.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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