Smelling The Coffee: 2010

Don't let the US media and their anti-Islamic agenda fool you , Buz.You actually think there are no christian fundamentalist terrorist groups internationally, or non-Islamic terrorist groups? Wow! source

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Canada
The Sons of Freedom, a sect of Doukhobor anarchists, have protested nude, blown up power pylons, railroad bridges, and set fire to homes, often targeting their own property.

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India
The National Liberation Front of Tripura, a rebel group operating in Tripura, North-East India classified by the National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism as one of the ten most active terrorist groups in the world, has been accused of forcefully converting people to Christianity.

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The Nagaland Rebels of Nagaland, North-East India is a coalition of rebel groups including the National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah, has been involved in an ethnic conflict that has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths since the Indian Declaration of Independence.

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Northern Ireland
Several people have stated that the religious divide between Roman Catholics and Protestants was a contributing factor to The Troubles:

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Mark Juergensmeyer wrote "Like residents of Belfast and London, Americans were beginning to learn to live with acts of religious terrorism: shocking, disturbing incidents of violence laced with the passion of religion - in these cases, Christianity" and "The violence in Northern Ireland is justified by still other theological positions, Catholic and Protestant." and "The ferocity of religious violence was brought home to me in 1998 when I received the news that a car bomb had exploded in a Belfast neighborhood I had visited the day before.

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Martin Dillon interviewed paramilitaries on both sides of the conflict, questioning how they could reconcile murder with their Christian convictions.

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First Minister of Northern Ireland The Revd. and Rt. Hon. Ian Paisley often cast the conflict in religious terms. He preached that the Roman Catholic Church, which he termed "Popery", had deviated from the Bible, and therefore from true Christianity, giving rise to "revolting superstitions and idolatrous abuses". Paisley held that there were links between the Catholic Church and the Provisional Irish Republican Army, a group which is classified as a proscribed terrorist group in the United Kingdom and as an illegal organisation in the Republic of Ireland. He once said "The Provisional IRA is the military wing of the Roman Catholic Church" and has claimed several times that the Pope is the Antichrist, most famously at the European Parliament, where he interrupted a speech by Pope John Paul II, shouting "I denounce you as the Antichrist!" and holding up a red poster reading "POPE JOHN PAUL II ANTICHRIST".

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Romania
Anti-Semitic Romanian Orthodox fascist movements in Romania, such as the Iron Guard and Lncieri, were allegedly responsible for involvement in the Holocaust, Bucharest pogrom, and political murders during the 1930s.

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Russia
Many Russian political and paramilitary groups combine racism, nationalism, and Russian Orthodox beliefs.

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Russian National Unity, a far right ultra-nationalist political party and paramilitary organization, advocates an increased role for the Russian Orthodox Church according to its manifesto. It has been accused of murders, and several terrorist attacks including the bombing of the US Consulate in Ekaterinburg.

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Uganda
The Lord's Resistance Army, a sectarian guerrilla army engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government, has been accused of using child soldiers and committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, porters and sex slaves. It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Christian Holy Spirit which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations. LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle.

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These are just the Christian terrorist groups. Let me know if you need all the non-Islaimc/non-Christian terrorist groups.........Change the channel from FoxNews just one time, Buz!- Oni

The same can be said these days between the Shia and the Sunni. source

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Sunni and Shia Muslims share the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and articles of faith. The differences between these two main sub-groups within Islam initially stemmed not from spiritual differences, but political ones. Over the centuries, however, these political differences have spawned a number of varying practices and positions which have come to carry a spiritual significance.

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- Oni

Hi Buz, That's the point- the mainstream media isn't promoting anything these days that doesn't involve Islam and Muslims. We need an enemy to focus on, and the Middle East is our current target.Not in a conspiratorial way (relax Straggler) just in a: they have to promote what's popular and trendy - and currently Middle Eastern terrorist threats are drawing a mass audience. Just look at the movie industry (who is always a good indicator for what's popular.) As has been pointed out to you by others, communism doesn't have to be atheist. North Korea, which is more a form of Fascism, is considered communism by the media, yet they worship the Emperor.Also, communism, along with fascism must take out all other insitutions who control peoples opinions - like the church, any church.Yet, even Hitler had a connection to the Roman Catholic Church - so it can also have a religious affiliation. Let me know a month before that happens so I can cancel my Netflix subscription.- Oni

Yes, but we are also the target of other terrorist organizations, yet its not that popoular to talk about it in our media. That's why Buz asked me to show him stories in the mainstream media. Because he knew I wouldn't find any.Not that there aren't stories to cover, its just that the mainstream only covers middle eastern terrorist groups. Hollywood promotes what's popular.Not conspiratorial, Straggler! - Oni

Funny how you mentioned it to Buz but didn't catch that my cynicism would lead to the same answer. The US is the biggest threat, guilded in it's previous admin by a fundamentalist CHRISTIAN - as was his father - as is the support of Israel, which is also a terrorist state - One that has the weapons to destroy us all. You can argue semantics if you want, try to point out the political problems if you like, but Israel and the US are fundamentalist states (at least the US was - but I fear it will be yet again). And there should be no argument that Israel is a fundamentalist state, right?However, and I don't want to get into a long list of terrorist groups and how they affect us all, but the groups around the world, Asia and South America specifically, are groups that terrorize (not at the level of Al Qaeda for example) but to a lesser degree. Yet the news covers very little if any at all.I could get specific if you really wanted to get into that. It would require some effort on my part to dig up news stories from independent sources. True, but also, like you mention with the environment, they tackle crap that is irrelevant and complete bullshit (like 2012 for example). But yes, their current Middle East terror movies (some) are pretty accurate. Aluminum hat is on!- Oni

BINGO!!!Now, can you name a larger fundamentalist group that has caused more violence around the world?- Oni

No. You're making a point for Afghanistan. Straggler pointed out that Bush's comment was for invading Iraq.3000 citizens were killed by Al Qaeda terrorist that were from Saudi Arabia - NOT Iraq or Afghanistan.If Bush intended to go to war with the nation that sanctioned and supported the attacks, he would have found NO ONE, because no nation sactioned or supported the attacks of 9/11. Some connections have been made to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, but of course one is an friend (not for long mind you) and the other is the ruler of the Oil Industry. So we can't attack either of those.We attacked the poverty stricken nation of Afghanistan, sadly, killed many of their innocent civilians, all the while claiming that we are doing it for the benefit of the people in Afghanistan - which is more bullshit.However, Straggler's point:Bush claimed that God himself told him to invade Iraq, that is no better than saying Allah told Bin Laden to attack the towers. Both are fundamentalist nonsense!One is Islamic fundamentalist nonsense, the other is Christian fundamentalist nonsense - BOTH statements were made by 2 lunatics who think they talk to an invisible man.- Oni

Of course by God in this context you mean Bush SR., right? You're right on point with your argument Straggler. Scary that both Bin Laden and Bush claim to have a direct hotline to God, yet both were told to attack different places.Either the God(s) are toying with us or some other being has hijacked God's cellphone - I'm assuming it's an iPhone - I mean, its God.- Oni

(Buz passes the joint to, Oni)Oni: Yeah! And then, once the Vatican has been nuked, it's nuthin' but a party for Islam after that! Burka's are coming off, Zeppelin blasting from their iPod's - we'll start filming 'Girls Gone Wild - Saudi Arabia style'. It's gonna be great.Oh, and Israel is in on the whole thing, don't be fooled. Islam and the Jews hate Catholics equally. Especially catholic school girl outfits - totally off putting to 'em. The US will be fine because, well, we have the rights to all the Mc Donalds and Burger Kings - and everyone them Muslims LOVE their McD's & BK. (Oni takes another drag.....)Soon after that, the UFO's start showing up, bring all the Mayan's back that they abducted years ago. We'll finally get hoverboards, flying cars, virtual porn, 4D IMAX movies.It's gonna be great, right Buz? (Oni turns to pass the joint to, Buz. Buz is passed out, having smoked more than anyone past the age of 70 should smoke - unless you're Willy Nelson. Oni robs Buz for the $20 in his pocket and is off to buy more pot. Tomorrow, when Buz is curious about where the money went, Oni will tell him that a group of radical Islamic fundamentalist stole his cash and took all the pot. Buz will believe him and claim to have predicted it would happen)- Oni

You forgot the beach shorts with the black dress socks on - or are those Germany tourist? I can't tell you guys apart.That's always a classic. - Oni

Because Buz is as old as the founders, and was there with them protesting. He's so senile at this point that he thinks he's still there. Not on every, on any, or even on one occasion. I think they would have preferred for us to think and evaluate any and all issues on our own - like they, the founding fathers, did. - Oni

Hi Briterican,First, I've been curious about your name - are you a Puerto Rican living in Britain? Since its brit-e-rican. Or is it brit-erican, as in Brit and American?Now to my cynical opinion of your post - lol.I haven't had a chance to fully read all the posts, but I read this one and Legend's post that you responded to. I'm not in favor of either position, yet, but I'd like to point a few things out and perhaps you may like to debate it. Does Dan Quayle ring a bell? There is no way of eliminating incompetence in politics, it is always done in hindsight. Unfortunately, the general public (or rather, the voting public, which is about 35% of the US) is unaware, or been made apathetic, due to the ability of the hacks to properly campaign and control information.The political process is sadly a joke if you are trying to weed out hacks. And yet, it is these uneducated, unqualified, uninformed people who are left responsible to vote and elect their officials? Boy, it must be easy to blindly lead this bewilldered herd where you want them to, is it not?There is a great effort taken to make sure the general public is uneducated, uninformed and unqualified - the privileged elites have seen to it that this is the status quo.I'm not advocating for Legend's idea, yet, however more of an effort to educate and inform the general public should be made. But it won't be made as long as the elite few are in control of the information - the media.One of the biggest threats to the status quo is an informed society, but distractions keep us entertain and dumbed down. So, people like yourself and others have no confidence in the general public, yet feel more comfortable following the orders of people who, when are not on the job, are also part of the general public. Point is, we are all capable, we're just not all privileged as others.And we/you are indoctrinated into a system the maintains this level of deception. Not with the current state of how our media and information is controlled - it would be stupid to think otherwise, so on this we agree. If this was radically changed however, then I see no reason why any human being couldn't be capable of making proper decisions about their lives.Politicians are just as stupid as anyone else, they just act like they aren't. However, if properly educated, any one of us can be politically knowledgable enough to assess any issue.Think of how unions work. We are still talking about biological organisms, right?First thing any good system, that has the people in mind needs to do, is figure out why people are uneducated and uniformed in particular matters. If you find that the system of informing people (ie. the mainstream media) is corrupted and placating to special intrests groups, then this is the first thing that needs to get corrected.And in the future, people won't refer to the general public as uninformed, uneducated simple-minded individuals who are incapable of making proper decisions for their communities. It's sad to see people hold politicians in a higher catagory than their fellow citizens.Not that I disagree with you, but I see many reasons why the public is left to decide on American Idol - rather than on political affairs - that have everything to do with the way the system is run by the elite few who are selling our country out from under us, rather than the inability of human beings to learn.I recommend, not only a healthy dose of psilocybin magic mushrooms, but also for you and others to watch Manufacturing Consent.Here's a quick video:- Oni

So you're saying that the Bill was worded in such a manner as to confuse even a civics teacher? Isn't that the fault of those writing the Bill?Thank Buddha we have those knowledgable politicians, without them we'd still be banging two stones together for fire. - Oni

Fair enough. But what are you essentially getting at? Surely you're not claiming that politicians are better at reading? Perhaps the way Bills are written requires a certain level of knowledge, just as say reading a prescription, but it's not something that either can be re-worded to normal dialogue or taught, right?- Oni

That depends on what the question is. Legalize pot, shrooms and prostitution...that may be my answer to everything. Seriously though, my answer to what question specifically? Give a brotha a little more time. I can get there!- Oni