Smelling The Coffee: 2010

Hi Parasomnium. How do you propose we obliterate religion? Obviously debating it's merrits and promoting athiesm has failed to achieve your desire.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Phat. Surely you have enough knowledge and intelligence to know that is an unsupportable assertion. Tell it like it is. Islamic politico-religious fundamentalism is the one chief reason for international terrorism.Perhaps if you wish to support your foolish assumption you could cite evidence that Christian fundamentalism or even other non-Christian fundamentalists are the chief reason for international terrorism today on planet earth.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Legend. Ah. But thanks to athiest and secularistic agendas and policies, education is being increasingly restricted, allowing only secularistic ideology in the classrooms, with secularist education ever predominating. But alas, as since the recording of history began, milleniums ago, all human cultures remain religious. Must the human DNA be artificially altered in order to mutate out this universal religious preponderance?

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Modulous. So who is to determine what determines relitious toxicity?"Enforced ignorance of other (?) ideas. You mean like parents taking their children to Sunday School and church whether they wish to go or not? In your view, is this enforced ignorance happening in our nation?But the debating, the openly 'coming out' of philosophers, scientists, comedians, actors etc etc, does seem to be having an impact. We'll have to wait to see the results of the censuses before we can really see what the impact is. Various polls have revealed a significant increase in the 'non-affliliated' category of religion - which seems to be the best start that can be reasonably expected towards these kinds of goals.Non affiliated category? What would be some examples of this? For sure it will so long as the non-religious POV prevails in American schools where, unlike the first 200 years, practice of religion is forbidden. LOL! All that has kept Islam at bay the past 1300+ years has been opposing religious entities. The trend of government in America in recent decades has been leniency on the practice of Islam while imposing restrictions on the practice of Christianity.Start weaving your prayer rug, ye athiests and all of the rest of ye infidel unbelievers of Mohammed and Allah. The Nation Of Islam marches on with the blessings of the president whom they and all of Islam supported. Their prophet's predicted proclamation to populate, police and possess the planet appears apocalyptic.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Onifre. Can you cite any mainstream media, including Fox which has covered any of the stuff you cited to any extent in the past six months or year? Mmm, must be it's not so prevalent. Like none of this is happening on a daily basis as is the case with Islam.Btw, communism is one way athiestic and secularistic sheeple could ban and restrict religion. Simply imprison and slaughter promoters of religion. They slaughtered over a hundred million last century, not to mention the scores of millions of persecuted, imprisoned and empoverished. It's ongoing in places like China Laos, N Vietnam and Cuba this century.Lastly, the most persecuted religion, globally, and always has been, which happens to be fundamentalist evangelical Christianity happens to be the persecuted; not the persecutors.Perhaps the real solution to make the planet more peaceful is for the lord and christ Jesus, champion of fundamentalist Christians, who is prophesied to come to rule and reign on the planet at Jerusalem, to come soon. YES!

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hey Jonsey. Fundamentalists are ones who go with the fundamentals of the book, i.e. the New Testament, manual of Christianity. So relative to topic, make it, Those aren't the NT fundamentalist Christians. So, no. Sorry man. You loose.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Hooah.Relative to Phat's implication in message 4, none of the above involved fundamentalist New Testament Christianity. None; nada.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The effort a few of you Christophobic athiest and agnostics go to for scraping up something; anything, whether it has an ounce of significance or not is truly amazing. You strain at gnats and swallow camels, as the saying goes.LOL again. The fundamentals of the NT, which are all totally non-violent in no way simulate the violent practices attributed to the KKK.Why don't you address, coherantly, the tennants of Phat's message 4 relative to my original statement and to which it applied. Instead you waste time and bandwidth making fools of yourselves concocting up all of these cockadilly strawmen.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Granny. I thought you were above this nonsense. First you cite a country engaged in war between two factions and then you dig up a couple of strawmen which do not apply. Because there happened to be a couple of non-fundamentalist (as per the Christian book, the NT) nutcases.If you people care to get rational we can move on. Phat was alluding to a global problem which applied to fundamentals of religion, i.e. religious fundamentalists which pose a problem on the planet.I cited Islam as the only GLOBAL violent religious fundamentalist threat. You don't have to go back to May 09 to dig up something on this source of terrorism. It is a daily phenomenon in these times of Islamic advancement and aggression globally. All I get is silly nonsensical strawment responses.Anyhow, to log out on a more positive note, happy New Year and good night to all.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Interestingly, systemic biased education prevailed in the US for the 1st 2 best centuries of it's history. How so? Simple. The nation was founded on Christian Biblical principles and the educators were a Christian majority.Significantly, the more secularly educated we become as a nation, the less freedom we enjoy, the more crime we have, the more heart disease, obesity and cancer we have, the more social problems, suicide, etc we have."Logical and scientific? You mean like NS, RM, QM and ST? You mean like science's unbended straight 3D bar's 2 ends capable of eventually going full circle to connect. Logically, if the 3d bar model comprised 3d earth's axis, which direction relative to earth would the two ends curve so as to connect? You mean logical as science's theory that umptillions of intricately complex designed systems emerged from the expansion of a submicroscopic particle of spacetime, having no known before, no outside of, no space to expand into and no time to have existed, without a designer?

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Phat.1. Our nation never had Christian education, perse. It had wholistic education including freedom of religion for all aspects of life, and government involved activity such as the branches of government, education, and military etc.The nature of a republic is that the voters determine who represents them who in turn implement what is taught. In recent decades, secularist minded leaders have been elected by the voters of the republic. Consequently the educational agenda has become more secularistic.The observed reality relative to your OP and message four, i.e. your notion that more education is the solution, happens to be that the more secularist and hostile to religion the education and all aspects of life in America have become, the more complex and extensive the problems in America become. Thus, more of secularist direction we go, the more and the greater problems will become as per Occam's Razor.2. You said "logic and science," to which I have responded.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Hyroglyphx.Nobody has alleged that religion vs secularism is all that relates to the world's ills. Phat has implied that the fix for the world's ills is more education.Let's recap the debate at hand:The first responder to the OP, Parasomnium alleged that religion should be done away with, implying that religion was the big bad wolf.Phat, the thread originato, responded by alleging that fundamentalist religion was the terroristic big bad wolf. Buzsaw set the record straight that in fact, the Biblical NT written fundamentals allowed for no violent acts. Thus Biblical fundamentalists, which were implicated in Phat's statement, being religious fundamentalists, have never been a global terrorism problem.In the course of debate, the religious/secularist issues became significantly relevant to the education and terrorism matters being debated, which leads to the question; who, in your view is acting delusional and parinoid?

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hydroblyphx, did you miss a few messages back where I said: None of our founders would agree to your statement above. They regarded the value of things like The Ten Commandments and other Biblical principles to the extent that they were implemented in many aspects of government including church services in the halls of Congress accompanied by the US Marine Band, the insistance that the Bible and Watts Hymnal be integral to public school education and commissioning missionaries to evangelize the pagan Indians into Christianity.As I stated in the same message, in case you missed it, in the course of time, the elected heads of state became more secularized and as a republic works, the later elected officials implemented a more liberal and secularist agenda in education and government.Today, of course, some would agree with your views on this and some would be more inclined toward the free practice of religion in and out of government. Who's views prevail should be determined in the elections.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Erm OK. And Moslems also say that the Quran is a book that Which Muslims? Mohammed, author of the Koran/Quran and who ordered the beheading of hundreds of infidels, his successors who implemented the Haddith and the Sunnahs, the majority of fundamentalist immams and the majority of heads of Islamic totalitarian heads of state OR the peon Muslim sheeple who either are not apprised on the violence advocated in the Koran, the Haddiths and Sunnahs and who are obliged to obey the totalitarian politico-religious dictators?Fact: The Islamic official manuals of the religion's fundamentals are laced with violence whereas this is not the case with the NT manual of Christian fundamentals . There you go again putting up your strawman when relative facts fail. War is war and warriors should fight to win. Buzsaw advocates reasonable interrogation tactics. What is reasonable is debatable. LOL. Muslims should regard thngs like waterboarding lightly, given what Muslim dictatorial regimes dish out in 20 to 30 Islamic totataliarian regimes.

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Onifre. Actually, the mainstreams LOVE to get some scoop on fundis; anything. Why? Because they are for the most part leftist ideologically and their significant leftist viewership and constituency including Hollywood have a similar attitude towards fundamentalist Christians as is prevalent here at EvC.Similarly the mainstreams other than Fox hated Bush who leaned towards Christianity whereas Obama whom they love clearly leans towards Islam, the religion of his family and his childhood and the religion his so called Christian church became close to, i.e. Farakan's Nation of Islam. The drive bys as Rush calls them give Obama an undue pass on his Islamic connections as well as his socialistic connections.All of the mainstreams give Islamic terrorism a pass, in that they attribute the doctrine of Jihad to an extremists fringe rather than from the fundamentals of the books/manuals from Mohammed and his successors which call for and are finally on the fast track for achieving global domination, thanks to the media and Western government policies.The fact remains that there is no terrorist thread from bonafide NT Christian fundamentalists.Straggler: Though Christianity recognizes the OT as inspired, no violence depicted in the OT applied to Christianity or the Christ of Christianity. All of the violence in the OT related to Israel and the land which God had designated to be the nation of his ultimate kingdom on earth. ,

---

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.