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hooah212002
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Message 16 of 270 (541488)
01-03-2010 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by onifre
01-03-2010 9:12 PM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
Them there ain't REAL christians..........

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Buzsaw
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Message 17 of 270 (541490)
01-03-2010 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by onifre
01-03-2010 9:12 PM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
onifre writes:
Change the channel from FoxNews just one time, Buz!
Hi Onifre. Can you cite any mainstream media, including Fox which has covered any of the stuff you cited to any extent in the past six months or year? Mmm, must be it's not so prevalent. Like none of this is happening on a daily basis as is the case with Islam.
Btw, communism is one way athiestic and secularistic sheeple could ban and restrict religion. Simply imprison and slaughter promoters of religion. They slaughtered over a hundred million last century, not to mention the scores of millions of persecuted, imprisoned and empoverished. It's ongoing in places like China Laos, N Vietnam and Cuba this century.
Lastly, the most persecuted religion, globally, and always has been, which happens to be fundamentalist evangelical Christianity happens to be the persecuted; not the persecutors.
Perhaps the real solution to make the planet more peaceful is for the lord and christ Jesus, champion of fundamentalist Christians, who is prophesied to come to rule and reign on the planet at Jerusalem, to come soon. YES!

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 270 (541491)
01-03-2010 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by DrJones*
01-03-2010 9:27 PM


Re: Them Christians.
DrJones writes:
$5 says Buz's reply will be along the lines of "Those aren't real Christians", because he after all is the sole arbiter of who is and isn't a Christian.
Hey Jonsey. Fundamentalists are ones who go with the fundamentals of the book, i.e. the New Testament, manual of Christianity. So relative to topic, make it, Those aren't the NT fundamentalist Christians. So, no. Sorry man. You loose.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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hooah212002
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Message 19 of 270 (541492)
01-03-2010 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
01-03-2010 9:48 PM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
an you cite any mainstream media, including Fox which has covered any of the stuff you cited to any extent in the past six months or year? Mmm, must be it's not so prevalent. Like none of this is happening on a daily basis as is the case with Islam.
Right. Because if mainstream media doesn't cover it, it doesn't happen. I bet you think the war in Iraq is over then too, huh? Mainstream media has all but forgotten about my brothers in arms in that shit hole of a country.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 270 (541494)
01-03-2010 10:13 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by hooah212002
01-03-2010 9:58 PM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
hooah writes:
Right. Because if mainstream media doesn't cover it, it doesn't happen. I bet you think the war in Iraq is over then too, huh?
Hi Hooah.
Relative to Phat's implication in message 4, none of the above involved fundamentalist New Testament Christianity. None; nada.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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hooah212002
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Message 21 of 270 (541497)
01-03-2010 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
01-03-2010 10:13 PM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
There's this group called the Ku Klux Clan...maybe you've heard of them? They're as fundafuckingmentalist as they come brother. Oh, lest we not forget about the Westboro Baptist Church.

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Granny Magda
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Message 22 of 270 (541498)
01-03-2010 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
01-03-2010 9:48 PM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
Hello Buz, are you nice and comfy in your utopian dream-world where there are no Christian terrorists? Sorry to burst your bubble...
Can you cite any mainstream media, including Fox which has covered any of the stuff you cited to any extent in the past six months or year?
How about the day before yesterday?
quote:
BBC News, 2 Jan 2010
Uganda reports killing LRA commander Abudema in CAR
LRA revels are being pursued in DR Congo, the CAR and Sudan
The Ugandan army says that it has killed a senior commander of the Lord's Resistance Army militant group in the Central African Republic (CAR).
Bok Abudema was killed on Friday along with one of his fighters, while two women found with them were freed, an army spokesman told the BBC.
The army said LRA leader Joseph Kony was moving between the CAR and Sudan.
Ugandan forces have been operating outside the country's borders for a year in a campaign to destroy the LRA.
They have been deployed in northern Democratic Republic Congo and southern Sudan as well as the CAR to track down the LRA, which once operated in northern Uganda.
Army spokesman Lt Col Felix Kulayigye said that Mr Kony was moving between the CAR and Darfur in southern Sudan in order to escape Ugandan army patrols.
Bok Abudema is only one of a number of senior LRA commanders who have been cornered and killed, says the BBC's Africa editor, Martin Plaut.
Others have surrendered but the LRA is scattered across a remote region of dense forests and swamps, savannah and deserts - ideal territory for guerrilla operations, our editor says.
Last month the UN human rights commissioner, Navi Pillay, demanded the capture of LRA leaders for crimes against humanity and gave details of the killings, torture and rape of hundreds of civilians by the rebels.
She accused the movement of killing at least 1,200 civilians between September 2008 and June 2009.

BBC News - Uganda reports killing LRA commander Abudema in CAR
Note the section I bolded at the end there. Those atrocities were committed by Christians who claim to be on a Holy mission from God, the very same God you're so keen on. They would still be murdering, torturing and raping in the name of Jesus today if they weren't on the run from the Ugandans.
Or would you prefer an example from closer to home? Since you asked, how about a little Faux News?
quote:
Fox News, May 31, 2009
WICHITA, Kan. Dr. George Tiller, who remained one of the nation's few providers of late-term abortions despite decades of protests and attacks, was shot and killed Sunday in a church where he was serving as an usher.
The gunman fled, but a 51-year-old suspect was arrested some 170 miles away in suburban Kansas City three hours after the shooting, Wichita Deputy Police Chief Tom Stolz said.
Long a focus of national anti-abortion groups, including a summer-long protest in 1991, Tiller was shot in the foyer of Reformation Lutheran Church, Stolz said. Tiller's attorney, Dan Monnat, said Tiller's wife, Jeanne, was in the choir at the time.
TERRORISM | Fox News
The killer, Scott Roeder, was another of your poor persecuted Christian fundies. Yep, you guys are so savagely persecuted that you can't even walk into a church and murder any member of the congregation you disapprove of. What is America coming to, eh?
Anti-abortion group the "Army of God" called Roeder an "American hero".
There are some Christian terrorists out there. You are in denial is all.
Are there as many Christian terrorists as Muslim terrorists? No.
Are there as many Christian terror attacks as Muslim terror attacks? No.
Are the Christian attacks as successful as the Muslim attacks? No.
So what? What do you want, a medal? You don't get special credit for not murdering quite as many people as the Muslims.
Islam stands out as being clearly the most ignorant, destructive, regressive and dangerous religion on Earth, but Christians who imagine that their shit doesn't stink too are living in a dream world. If given a choice between taking a bite out of two big shit sandwiches, I would chose the one with the least shit in it; that doesn't mean though, that it's not still full of shit.
Mutate and Survive

"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

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DrJones*
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Message 23 of 270 (541500)
01-03-2010 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Buzsaw
01-03-2010 9:58 PM


Re: Them Christians.
Those aren't the NT fundamentalist Christians.
Like I said "those aren't real (as defined by Buz) christians.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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DrJones*
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Message 24 of 270 (541501)
01-03-2010 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by hooah212002
01-03-2010 10:23 PM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
There's this group called the Ku Klux Clan...maybe you've heard of them?
The KKK aren't christians, those are just the backwoods inbred southern yokel's attempts at burning menorahs.
edited rather than post again: yes this is sarcasm
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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hooah212002
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Message 25 of 270 (541502)
01-03-2010 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by DrJones*
01-03-2010 10:43 PM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
I'm pretty sure you were being sarcastic, but just in case....(bolding mine)
source (not that you really want to go to the site, it's sickening)
There is a race war against whites. But our people - my white brothers and sisters - will stay committed to a non-violent resolution. That resolution must consist of solidarity in white communities around the world. The hatred for our children and their future is growing and is being fueled every single day. Stay firm in your convictions. Keep loving your heritage and keep witnessing to others that there is a better way than a war torn, violent, wicked, socialist, new world order. That way is the Christian way - law and order - love of family - love of nation. These are the principles of western Christian civilization. There is a war to destroy these things. Pray that our people see the error of their ways and regain a sense of loyalty. Repent America! Be faithful my fellow believers. "
National Director of The Knights
Pastor Thomas Robb

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 270 (541508)
01-04-2010 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by hooah212002
01-03-2010 10:23 PM


Re: KKK Say What?
hooah writes:
There's this group called the Ku Klux Clan...maybe you've heard of them? They're as fundafuckingmentalist as they come brother. Oh, lest we not forget about the Westboro Baptist Church.
The effort a few of you Christophobic athiest and agnostics go to for scraping up something; anything, whether it has an ounce of significance or not is truly amazing. You strain at gnats and swallow camels, as the saying goes.
LOL again. The fundamentals of the NT, which are all totally non-violent in no way simulate the violent practices attributed to the KKK.
Why don't you address, coherantly, the tennants of Phat's message 4 relative to my original statement and to which it applied. Instead you waste time and bandwidth making fools of yourselves concocting up all of these cockadilly strawmen.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 270 (541509)
01-04-2010 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Granny Magda
01-03-2010 10:24 PM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
Hi Granny. I thought you were above this nonsense. First you cite a country engaged in war between two factions and then you dig up a couple of strawmen which do not apply. Because there happened to be a couple of non-fundamentalist (as per the Christian book, the NT) nutcases.
If you people care to get rational we can move on. Phat was alluding to a global problem which applied to fundamentals of religion, i.e. religious fundamentalists which pose a problem on the planet.
I cited Islam as the only GLOBAL violent religious fundamentalist threat. You don't have to go back to May 09 to dig up something on this source of terrorism. It is a daily phenomenon in these times of Islamic advancement and aggression globally. All I get is silly nonsensical strawment responses.
Anyhow, to log out on a more positive note, happy New Year and good night to all.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 28 of 270 (541527)
01-04-2010 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
01-01-2010 7:11 AM


Phat writes:
Education is a necessity. Will we be able to convince the population that education...unbiased, logical and scientific education...is the only thing that will save our nation?
Interestingly, systemic biased education prevailed in the US for the 1st 2 best centuries of it's history. How so? Simple. The nation was founded on Christian Biblical principles and the educators were a Christian majority.
Significantly, the more secularly educated we become as a nation, the less freedom we enjoy, the more crime we have, the more heart disease, obesity and cancer we have, the more social problems, suicide, etc we have.
"Logical and scientific? You mean like NS, RM, QM and ST? You mean like science's unbended straight 3D bar's 2 ends capable of eventually going full circle to connect. Logically, if the 3d bar model comprised 3d earth's axis, which direction relative to earth would the two ends curve so as to connect?
You mean logical as science's theory that umptillions of intricately complex designed systems emerged from the expansion of a submicroscopic particle of spacetime, having no known before, no outside of, no space to expand into and no time to have existed, without a designer?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Phat
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Message 29 of 270 (541531)
01-04-2010 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Buzsaw
01-04-2010 9:53 AM


Its Education, Stupid
Buzsaw writes:
Significantly, the more secularly educated we become as a nation, the less freedom we enjoy, the more crime we have, the more heart disease, obesity and cancer we have, the more social problems, suicide, etc we have.
So in a few sentences, explain the difference between secular education and christian education.
I agree with those who say that education is not based on belief but on logic, reason, and reality. Am I wrong?

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Phat
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Message 30 of 270 (541534)
01-04-2010 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Buzsaw
01-04-2010 12:31 AM


Re: Oh please, are you serious?
Buzsaw writes:
I cited Islam as the only GLOBAL violent religious fundamentalist threat. You don't have to go back to May 09 to dig up something on this source of terrorism. It is a daily phenomenon in these times of Islamic advancement and aggression globally. All I get is silly nonsensical straw-men responses.
Lets assume for a moment you are right. If so, what do you propose be done? Kill all the rats? The problem is that foreign folks tend to look upon this whole thing as a David versus Goliath battle...problem being WE are Goliath.

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