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onifre
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Message 61 of 270 (541691)
01-05-2010 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Straggler
01-05-2010 8:58 AM


Re: Media Coverage
So a born again Christian says he has gone to war with another country because God told him to and you don't think that has any relevance to fundamentalist beliefs and violence at all?
BINGO!!!
Now, can you name a larger fundamentalist group that has caused more violence around the world?
- Oni

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Straggler
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Message 62 of 270 (541692)
01-05-2010 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by onifre
01-05-2010 12:00 PM


Re: Conspiracy?
Ah - OK. Now I see where you were coming from.
Oni writes:
Aluminum hat is on!
I have taken to wearing several coatings of tin foil and the largest saucepan I can find.

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Buzsaw
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Message 63 of 270 (541703)
01-05-2010 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Straggler
01-05-2010 8:58 AM


Re: Media Coverage
Straggler writes:
So a born again Christian says he has gone to war with another country because God told him to and you don't think that has any relevance to fundamentalist beliefs and violence at all?
No. The Commander In Chief of the military, in agreement with a significant number of Congress and Senate with the blessings of the majority of the people, after much of the economy and over 3000 of our citizens were destroyed by an enemy made the decision to go to war with the nation which sanctioned, supported and supported the attack, for which the Taliban took credit.
People, including statesmen of all faiths were behind the action of the Commander In Chief of the military.
When are you going to lay off the strawmen and address my legitiment point?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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hooah212002
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Message 64 of 270 (541704)
01-05-2010 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Buzsaw
01-05-2010 5:08 PM


Re: Media Coverage
You've got me intrigued buz. What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? When is the evidence for such a claim? Feel free to start a new post if you need to.
As I recall, Gee Dubya said he had intel of WMD's held by Saddam. They were never found.
Were there any Iraqi's on any flight that slammed into those buildings?

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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onifre
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Message 65 of 270 (541705)
01-05-2010 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Buzsaw
01-05-2010 5:08 PM


Re: Media Coverage
No. The Commander In Chief of the military, in agreement with a significant number of Congress and Senate with the blessings of the majority of the people, after much of the economy and over 3000 of our citizens were destroyed by an enemy made the decision to go to war with the nation which sanctioned, supported and supported the attack, for which the Taliban took credit.
People, including statesmen of all faiths were behind the action of the Commander In Chief of the military.
No. You're making a point for Afghanistan. Straggler pointed out that Bush's comment was for invading Iraq.
3000 citizens were killed by Al Qaeda terrorist that were from Saudi Arabia - NOT Iraq or Afghanistan.
If Bush intended to go to war with the nation that sanctioned and supported the attacks, he would have found NO ONE, because no nation sactioned or supported the attacks of 9/11. Some connections have been made to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, but of course one is an friend (not for long mind you) and the other is the ruler of the Oil Industry. So we can't attack either of those.
We attacked the poverty stricken nation of Afghanistan, sadly, killed many of their innocent civilians, all the while claiming that we are doing it for the benefit of the people in Afghanistan - which is more bullshit.
However, Straggler's point:
Bush claimed that God himself told him to invade Iraq, that is no better than saying Allah told Bin Laden to attack the towers. Both are fundamentalist nonsense!
One is Islamic fundamentalist nonsense, the other is Christian fundamentalist nonsense - BOTH statements were made by 2 lunatics who think they talk to an invisible man.
- Oni

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Straggler
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Message 66 of 270 (541707)
01-05-2010 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Buzsaw
01-05-2010 5:08 PM


Presidential Hotline to God
And if God had told GWB specifically NOT to go to war in Iraq?
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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onifre
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Message 67 of 270 (541711)
01-05-2010 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Straggler
01-05-2010 6:05 PM


Re: Presidential Hotline to God
And if God had told GWB specifically NOT to go to war in Iraq?
Of course by God in this context you mean Bush SR., right?
You're right on point with your argument Straggler. Scary that both Bin Laden and Bush claim to have a direct hotline to God, yet both were told to attack different places.
Either the God(s) are toying with us or some other being has hijacked God's cellphone - I'm assuming it's an iPhone - I mean, its God.
- Oni

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Straggler
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Message 68 of 270 (541712)
01-05-2010 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by onifre
01-05-2010 6:50 PM


Re: Presidential Hotline to God
Oni writes:
BOTH statements were made by 2 lunatics who think they talk to an invisible man.
It would be hilarious if it weren't so true.
Oni writes:
Of course by God in this context you mean Bush SR., right?
Daddy Bush is but a mere demi-god.
Oni writes:
Scary that both Bin Laden and Bush claim to have a direct hotline to God, yet both were told to attack different places.
Oh Oni how can you not realise that only one of them is talking to the one true god whilst the other is an obvious nutjob? Or is God a total bastard messin with the minds of both to amuse himself? Or maybe those telepthic dogs are havin a laugh. Or could it be those magic moonbeams infiltrating the minds of both. Or are they both frikkin dangerous loons?
Oni writes:
Either the God(s) are toying with us or some other being has hijacked God's cellphone - I'm assuming it's an iPhone - I mean, its God.
Nah. I reckon God is a luddite. I mean has anyone really heard from him directly since stone tablets went out of fashion?

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Iblis
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Message 69 of 270 (541715)
01-05-2010 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Straggler
01-05-2010 7:03 PM


Re: Presidential Hotline to God
Or is God a total bastard messin with the minds of both to amuse himself?
When questions like this come up, I always like to urge people to go to the scriptures for your answer rather than relying on mere opinions.
First Kings 22:19-23 writes:
Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade [him], and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
Of course, it's considered bad form to build a doctrine on just one passage. You have to really search the scriptures, and get all angles on the subject.
Second Chronicles 18:18-22 writes:
Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and [on] his left.
And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.
Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?
And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And [the LORD] said, Thou shalt entice [him], and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do [even] so.
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

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Buzsaw
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Message 70 of 270 (541724)
01-05-2010 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by hooah212002
01-05-2010 5:21 PM


Re: Wars On Terror Etc.
hooah writes:
You've got me intrigued buz. What does Iraq have to do with 9/11? When is the evidence for such a claim? Feel free to start a new post if you need to.
As I recall, Gee Dubya said he had intel of WMD's held by Saddam. They were never found.
Were there any Iraqi's on any flight that slammed into those buildings?
As a matter of fact, Hooah, it matters not what individuals were on the planes to bring them down. The name of the war is/was The War On Terror. It was not a war declared on Afganistan or on Iraq. It was declared on Terror. That is whoever becomes a terror threat to the nations who participated in the war could expect reprocussions. Either Nato or the UN had ordered inspections in Iraq, which Iraq resisted. Thus it was assumed by Nato and many in our government that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It is assumed by many that as soon as Iraq knew war was imminent that their weapons went into Syria. Nobody knows.
Having said the above, imo, occupation of either country will prove to be a fatal mistake. When will we ever watch Israel and learn from them. When attacked, you simply go, bomb the heck out of them and go home until they strike again. If they didn't learn the first time, give them a second lesson, a third etc until they decide it's not in their best interest to mess with you.
It's fatal because we are spending ourselves into oblivion building up what politico-religious tyrannical regime as per Islamic ideology and arming them to the teeth with our sophisticated weaponry which we are training them to operate. What will they do with their nice shinny new armies with the modern tech? They will use it to fulfill the dream and prophecy of Mohammed their prophet, which is to dominate the planet. They, allied with Russia and northern Europe will become allied to first deal with Israel as they all together failed to do in the 1967 Six Day War. They together will dominate the UN agenda and the Western alliance nations will be reduced to whining spectators.
The Bible prophecies are sooo on track with all of this as per Ezekiel 37-39, etc and it's all drawing the nations into the Middle East as per Zechariah, especially chapter 14, etc which culminates in Armageddon and the 2nd Advent of Jesus.
BTW, I've been predicticting the Nuking of Vatican City for decades, including here at EvC. (Iran/Pakistan/North Korea etc nukes? They all hate the Vatican) It will happen; perhaps not for a decade or two and perhaps very soon, but it will happen. I'm using both logic and Revelation 17 and 18. I'm also applying the prophecies that Islam will prevail as a global dictatorial power. To do that Vatican has to go. This will eliminate that age long rival of Islam. The two politico-religious entities have kept each other at bay all of these centuries but Islam is fast leaving the Vatican in the dust so far as prolifically populating the planet and recruiting converted children.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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hooah212002
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Message 71 of 270 (541752)
01-06-2010 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Buzsaw
01-05-2010 10:00 PM


Re: Wars On Terror Etc.
(bolding mine)
Buzsaw writes:
No. The Commander In Chief of the military, in agreement with a significant number of Congress and Senate with the blessings of the majority of the people, after much of the economy and over 3000 of our citizens were destroyed by an enemy made the decision to go to war with the nation which sanctioned, supported and supported the attack, for which the Taliban took credit.
Buzsaw writes:
It was not a war declared on Afganistan or on Iraq.
What, Buz? What's that? you changed your mind so quickly?
It was declared on Terror.
How many Iraqi terrorists do YOU know? Sure, Saddam did some fucked up shit to his own people, but what business is that of ours? He was not an international terrorist.
Thus it was assumed by Nato and many in our government that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. It is assumed by many that as soon as Iraq knew war was imminent that their weapons went into Syria. Nobody knows.
It's always a good idea to INVADE a country on a hunch, then stay there killing innocent people after being proven wrong, all the while killing our own troops.
It's fatal because we are spending ourselves into oblivion building up what politico-religious tyrannical regime as per Islamic ideology and arming them to the teeth with our sophisticated weaponry which we are training them to operate. What will they do with their nice shinny new armies with the modern tech? They will use it to fulfill the dream and prophecy of Mohammed their prophet, which is to dominate the planet. They, allied with Russia and northern Europe will become allied to first deal with Israel as they all together failed to do in the 1967 Six Day War. They together will dominate the UN agenda and the Western alliance nations will be reduced to whining spectators.
The Bible prophecies are sooo on track with all of this as per Ezekiel 37-39, etc and it's all drawing the nations into the Middle East as per Zechariah, especially chapter 14, etc which culminates in Armageddon and the 2nd Advent of Jesus.
BTW, I've been predicticting the Nuking of Vatican City for decades, including here at EvC. (Iran/Pakistan/North Korea etc nukes? They all hate the Vatican) It will happen; perhaps not for a decade or two and perhaps very soon, but it will happen. I'm using both logic and Revelation 17 and 18. I'm also applying the prophecies that Islam will prevail as a global dictatorial power. To do that Vatican has to go. This will eliminate that age long rival of Islam. The two politico-religious entities have kept each other at bay all of these centuries but Islam is fast leaving the Vatican in the dust so far as prolifically populating the planet and recruiting converted children.
Is this what beck is feeding you guys? Where do you all come up with this shit?

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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Straggler
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Message 72 of 270 (541770)
01-06-2010 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Buzsaw
01-05-2010 10:00 PM


Hotline To God/Allah
So did GWB claim that God told him to invade Iraq?
How is this different to an Islamic terrorist claiming that Allah told him to blow up an aeroplane (or whatever)?
Seriously Buz what do you see as the defining difference between the two?

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Huntard
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Message 73 of 270 (541771)
01-06-2010 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Straggler
01-06-2010 8:24 AM


Re: Hotline To God/Allah
Straggler writes:
So did GWB claim that God told him to invade Iraq?
How is this different to an Islamic terrorist claiming that Allah told him to blow up an aeroplane (or whatever)?
Seriously Buz what do you see as the defining difference between the two?
My guess is Dubya first of all could hear him better (there's no towel around his head, you see), and second, he is of course listening to The One True Godtm.
Perfectly reasonable and logical, wouldn't you say?

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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dronestar
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Message 74 of 270 (541778)
01-06-2010 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Buzsaw
01-05-2010 10:00 PM


Re: Wars On Terror Etc.
buzzed writes:
When will we ever watch Israel and learn from them.
(Ugh, I think I threw up in my mouth a little. )
Yeah, America should learn from a nation that targets innocent women and children with phosphorus bombs. Wow.
Buzz, I highly recommend you get your doctor to adjust the dosage of your medication. Really.

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dronestar
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Message 75 of 270 (541781)
01-06-2010 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by hooah212002
01-06-2010 6:34 AM


Re: Wars On Terror Etc.
hooah212002 writes:
Sure, Saddam did some fucked up shit to his own people, but what business is that of ours?
(More wow)
War criminals and international terrorists, Ronald Reagan and Bush Sr gave weapons and aid to Saddam/Iraq. Without direct American assistance, Saddam wouldn't have "fucked up his own people".
Umm, . . . USA!, USA!, USA! America IS a great country, right Buzz?
(sorry, I couldn't let this pass hooah212002)

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