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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hello Brad H, and welcome to the fray.
That's interesting OLEGDEI. He's been asked to substantiate his claims on another thread, and appears to have disappeared. What does 'The Gospel' mean to you - in 200 words or less, Message 93.
Would you be willing to back that up by giving me at least one example of observed information being added to the chromosomal DNA of any organism in such a way as to improve that organisms ability to survive? Unfortunately this is not the topic of this thread, it, and there are several problems with your request (such as, it suffers from the lack of definition for "information" in a manner that can be quantified). If you want to pursue this you can follow up on anyone of several threads that do address it. Such as Irreducible Complexity, Information Loss and Barry Hall's experiments.
Or how about just one example of a finely graduated chain of fossils between any two major kinds? This is also off topic, and you are free to start a new one one it. Be prepared to define "kind" first and then what you mean by a finely graded chain between them. This topic is about infrared eyesight, and whether it would evolve in humans. The question, of course, indicates a poor understanding of how evolution works and why features develop. Enjoy.
... as you are new here, some posting tips: type [qs]quotes are easy[/qs] and it becomes:
quotes are easy or type [quote]quotes are easy[/quote] and it becomes:
quote: also check out (help) links on any formatting questions when in the reply window. For other formatting tips see Posting Tips If you use the message reply buttons (there's one at the bottom right of each message):... your message is linked to the one you are replying to (adds clarity). You can also look at the way a post is formatted with the "peek" button next to it. Edited by RAZD, : clrty we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi again Brad H
I realize that I am very new to how things work here, but am I to understand that if topics overlap each other, that we can not pursue the outcome of the conversation within the confines of one thread? Topics are generally (though not always) limited to ~300 posts. This keeps the debate focused. In this case on why infra-red vision has not evolved. There is generally already a better topic for side topics that come up, and if not it is easy to create one. Several have been pointed out for you, however I wouldn't mind seeing a new one on "... or at least one finely graduated chain of fossils between any two major kinds." But as I've said you'll need to do some groundwork - what do you mean by "kind" and what do you mean by "between" are two problems that a new OP would have to define first. Go to Proposed New Topics to post new topics. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
just a quibble:
type [tid=13706] and it becomes:
EVOLUTION'S FRAUD HAS CONTRIBUTED TO ITS PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE: Not a good one for evolutionary chains. There are better, but I'd start a new thread.
Adding information to the genome. Good choice. Enjoy we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Where do we find that number? In the case of your last message it's the gray number right at the end of
quote: at the top of the post. Now it would be cool for Percy to (in his spare time of course) have this shown as:
quote: so us lazy people could just copy and paste it. See Message 18 of Posting Tips Edited by RAZD, : redirected
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Brad H.
I suggest you pick one topic and work on that until you are familiar with the way this forum operates and what is expected in the way of evidence to support a position (at least in the science threads). Percy has given you a couple of options for information issues (Message 240). The issue of what a "kind" is can be enough to rag on for ages without any real resolution (see Species/Kinds (for Peg...and others) for an example), before even getting to the issue of fossil chains. The issue of fossil chains an be addressed independently (and perhaps more easily) if instead we focus on the degree of change you want to see as a result. A fox and a cat are different kinds, yet they share so may characteristics that it is not difficult to envisage a few minor changes in their evolutionary history to end up with one or the other. If you want to pursue this issue further, I could suggest Dogs will be Dogs will be ???. Again, please chose one topic and start simply. Laying down a barrage as you have in this post will just encourage may divergent replies and topic drift. Pick your best issue, state it simple, and we can be off to a good start. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : link we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi again OLEGDEI,
Your post is also completely off topic for this thread. Please reply to my Message 93 on What does 'The Gospel' mean to you - in 200 words or less.
You can visit our website http://WWW.SCIENCECLUBOFLONGISLAND.COM and study evolution. I saw very little on your website about evolution, but a lot about hate, a trait that drips from your posts as well. Do you think you can discuss a topic like an adult and leave the childish insults in the playground? Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Ah, sorry,
[tid=?????]? The "topic id" number seems to be a bit more obscure. I agree, and there is no quick and easy copy place that I am aware of. However, if you 'hover' over the Message 242 in
quote: you will get a pop up window that gives you the message id, message number, subtitle, thread id and forum id ([fid=10] = Intelligent Design) This is offtopic and really should be addressed on Posting Tips, Suggestions and Questions Enjoy See Message 18 of Posting Tips Edited by RAZD, : redirected
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So what thread are you going to move to?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1432 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Perhaps the topic should be closed for terminal topic drift.
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