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Message 4 of 150 (542018)
01-07-2010 9:44 AM

Reply to: Message 3 by slevesque
01-07-2010 9:36 AM

slevesque writes:

Interesing, I have also always thought that this:

{pic of Darwin}

Astonishingly looked like this:

{Pic of Chimp}

It does, doesn't it.

I hope you can see my point.

That things with similar morphology are related?

Similarity, either in the phenotype or the genotype, does not prove relationship unfortunately.

Oh.... Then why did you pic a human and a chimp, two creatures that are related?

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Message 43 of 150 (544887)
01-29-2010 5:18 AM

Reply to: Message 41 by Kaichos Man
01-29-2010 4:13 AM

Re: Why do you keep comparing like kinds?

Kaichos Man writes:

Did you know that if you compare human, cow and kangaroo DNA, humans and kangaroos are most similar?

Source please?

This is despite the fact that humans and cows are fellow mammals, and the kangaroo is a marsupial.

Marsupials are also mammals.

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Message 44 of 150 (544888)
01-29-2010 5:22 AM

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01-29-2010 2:43 AM

slevesque writes:

On the genetic level I think the 98% similarity figure is a bit outdated and it probably hovers around 95% now. Even recently their was a study published about the study of the Y chromosome of chimps and humans and the differences were much, much bigger than anticipated.

What about the ERV's? or the fact that human chromosome two is a fusion of two chimp chromosomes?

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Message 80 of 150 (545555)
02-04-2010 8:56 AM

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02-04-2010 8:15 AM

Dr Adequate writes:

If you think about that statement for a moment, you will see that it can't possibly be true. Biologists, you see, know quite a lot about biology, and this means that none of them supposes that birds lived before their ancestors.

To be fair to Slevesque, he did say supposed ancestors. With which I think he is referring to Archaeopteryx. Therefore he is not saying they lived before their "actual" ancestors (Whatever they may be to him), but that the ancestors that are currently classified as such are not the ancestors.

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Message 82 of 150 (545558)
02-04-2010 9:19 AM

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02-04-2010 9:11 AM

Dr Adequate writes:

And to be fair to biologists, they suppose no such thing.

Biologists haven't classified anything as the ancestor to modern birds?

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