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Briterican
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Message 8 of 79 (542297)
01-08-2010 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by hooah212002
01-08-2010 3:46 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
hooah212002 writes:
Americans write the way they speak because either
a) they are too lazy to spell properly
b) they don't KNOW how to spell properly
c) they think they are cool if they spell using "1337 sp33k", conversely, they may perceive only nerds to know proper grammar.
Unfair my good sir! I'm an American and I can spell correctly in both British and American English, and I do so without any thought of one being "right" and one "wrong". They are just different. Depends on your audience. Language evolves. The Americans spell things the way they do because these spellings were standardised by people, in America, who came long before them. You know all this man!

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Briterican
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Message 10 of 79 (542299)
01-08-2010 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by hooah212002
01-08-2010 5:07 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
Improper spelling is not an advancement.
I know what you mean, but I find some British people in the UK that think many Americanised spellings make more sense to them.
Centre or Center? How is one more right than the other, apart from a declaration on which came first? Which is phonetically closer to the actual pronunciation? I'm not exactly sure of the answer myself hehe, but I don't exactly think the interchanging of the position of the two letters in question there (a mutation if you will) makes any difference.
I think many British just feel like we yanks bastardised their language, but if that's the case, so did much of the rest of the world.
I do think you make valid points about a general dumbing down in American society. I'd have to admit that a disproportionately significant portion of my vocabulary has been acquired since migrating to the UK.
I believe British intellectuals on the whole seem to utilise the language to better effect than their American counterparts.
It is a shame that in some circles a high degree of literacy is something to be ashamed of.
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Briterican
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Message 11 of 79 (542300)
01-08-2010 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Straggler
01-08-2010 3:56 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
Straggler writes:
I am not so much talking lazy spelling here as vocab.
Here's an exaggerated, hypothetical example:
British member writes:
Maybe I am deluding myself in such a way as to justify my own relatively flamboyant means of expression.
American speaker writes:
Maybe I'm just kidding myself and really I'm trying to justify my own extravagant way of speaking.
I think the British have a better grasp on the nuances of individual words, and when one is better suited to express your thoughts than another very similar choice.
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Briterican
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Message 14 of 79 (542304)
01-08-2010 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Parasomnium
01-08-2010 5:40 PM


Re: Brit Vs American - Written Vs Spoken
Parasomnium writes:
Well, some language evolve, and other languages are created. In created languages, counting only goes from -4004 to +2010, whereas in evolving languages there are words for bigger numbers, like 'billion'.
Nice hehe. (I feel like I can type "hehe" in the Coffee House, but I try not to let it creep into my regular posts)
Speaking of "billion", it reminded me of my confusion when I came across a reference to "one thousand million" in a (relatively old) British book recently. In my head I was seeing that as one billion, and so I had to chase up what was going on...
billion: 1680s, from Fr. billion (originally byllion in Chuquet's unpublished "Le Triparty en la Science des Nombres", 1484; copied by De la Roche, 1520), from bi- "two" + (m)illion. A million million in Britain and Germany (numeration by groups of sixes), which was the original sense; subsequently altered in Fr. to "a thousand million" (numeration by groups of threes) and picked up in that form in U.S., "due in part to French influence after the Revolutionary War." France then reverted to the original meaning in 1948. British usage is truer to the etymology, but U.S. sense is increasingly common there in technical writing.
-- from Etymonline - Online Etymology Dictionary

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Briterican
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Message 24 of 79 (542320)
01-08-2010 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by cavediver
01-08-2010 7:13 PM


Re: Write Better Than You Speak
cavediver writes:
at EvC, I punctuate as I would speak, not as I would if I were writing gramatically.
At work I am involved in the preparation of asylum appeals, and we have many judges who do exactly this. I find that those judges who use this style are often more clear and specific in their statements. I believe such punctuation provides for a more organised presentation, helping avoid mistakes in interpretation.
I think it makes your writing better.
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