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Author Topic:   Evolution would've given us infrared eyesight
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Message 228 of 265 (541739)
01-06-2010 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Brad H
01-06-2010 2:11 AM


Re: topic
Hello Brad H, and welcome to the fray.
That's interesting OLEGDEI.
He's been asked to substantiate his claims on another thread, and appears to have disappeared. What does 'The Gospel' mean to you - in 200 words or less, Message 93.
Would you be willing to back that up by giving me at least one example of observed information being added to the chromosomal DNA of any organism in such a way as to improve that organisms ability to survive?
Unfortunately this is not the topic of this thread, it, and there are several problems with your request (such as, it suffers from the lack of definition for "information" in a manner that can be quantified). If you want to pursue this you can follow up on anyone of several threads that do address it.
Such as Irreducible Complexity, Information Loss and Barry Hall's experiments.
Or how about just one example of a finely graduated chain of fossils between any two major kinds?
This is also off topic, and you are free to start a new one one it. Be prepared to define "kind" first and then what you mean by a finely graded chain between them.
This topic is about infrared eyesight, and whether it would evolve in humans.
The question, of course, indicates a poor understanding of how evolution works and why features develop.
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Message 232 of 265 (541763)
01-06-2010 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 229 by Brad H
01-06-2010 4:15 AM


Re: topic
Hi again Brad H
I realize that I am very new to how things work here, but am I to understand that if topics overlap each other, that we can not pursue the outcome of the conversation within the confines of one thread?
Topics are generally (though not always) limited to ~300 posts. This keeps the debate focused. In this case on why infra-red vision has not evolved.
There is generally already a better topic for side topics that come up, and if not it is easy to create one. Several have been pointed out for you, however I wouldn't mind seeing a new one on
"... or at least one finely graduated chain of fossils between any two major kinds."
But as I've said you'll need to do some groundwork - what do you mean by "kind" and what do you mean by "between" are two problems that a new OP would have to define first.
Go to Proposed New Topics to post new topics.
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Message 233 of 265 (541764)
01-06-2010 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by Larni
01-06-2010 6:58 AM


Re: topic
just a quibble:
type [tid=13706] and it becomes:
EVOLUTION'S FRAUD HAS CONTRIBUTED TO ITS PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE:
Not a good one for evolutionary chains. There are better, but I'd start a new thread.
Adding information to the genome.
Good choice.
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Message 242 of 265 (541905)
01-06-2010 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 234 by hooah212002
01-06-2010 8:09 AM


tips
See Message 18 of Posting Tips
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Message 243 of 265 (541909)
01-06-2010 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Brad H
01-06-2010 1:18 PM


Re: topic
Hi Brad H.
I suggest you pick one topic and work on that until you are familiar with the way this forum operates and what is expected in the way of evidence to support a position (at least in the science threads).
Percy has given you a couple of options for information issues (Message 240).
The issue of what a "kind" is can be enough to rag on for ages without any real resolution (see Species/Kinds (for Peg...and others) for an example), before even getting to the issue of fossil chains.
The issue of fossil chains an be addressed independently (and perhaps more easily) if instead we focus on the degree of change you want to see as a result. A fox and a cat are different kinds, yet they share so may characteristics that it is not difficult to envisage a few minor changes in their evolutionary history to end up with one or the other. If you want to pursue this issue further, I could suggest Dogs will be Dogs will be ???.
Again, please chose one topic and start simply. Laying down a barrage as you have in this post will just encourage may divergent replies and topic drift.
Pick your best issue, state it simple, and we can be off to a good start.
Enjoy.
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Message 244 of 265 (541911)
01-06-2010 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by OLEGDEI
01-06-2010 6:12 PM


Re: topic
Hi again OLEGDEI,
Your post is also completely off topic for this thread.
Please reply to my Message 93 on What does 'The Gospel' mean to you - in 200 words or less.
You can visit our website http://WWW.SCIENCECLUBOFLONGISLAND.COM and study evolution.
I saw very little on your website about evolution, but a lot about hate, a trait that drips from your posts as well. Do you think you can discuss a topic like an adult and leave the childish insults in the playground?
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Message 248 of 265 (541925)
01-06-2010 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by hooah212002
01-06-2010 7:55 PM


Re: tips
See Message 18 of Posting Tips
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Message 255 of 265 (542132)
01-07-2010 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by Brad H
01-06-2010 11:15 PM


Re: topic
So what thread are you going to move to?

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Message 263 of 265 (542382)
01-09-2010 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Percy
01-09-2010 1:26 PM


Re: topic
Perhaps the topic should be closed for terminal topic drift.

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