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Author Topic:   Are there any old Earth/old life creationionists/anti-evolutionists at evcforum.net?
Minnemooseus
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Message 7 of 26 (542331)
01-08-2010 10:14 PM


Are there old Earth creationists at evcforum.net?
At the Wikipedia Hugh Ross article:
quote:
Ross is criticized by YECs for his acceptance of uniformitarian geology and astronomy over what they see as a plain reading of Genesis and for promoting "fixity of species", which denies speciation.
Such a position seems to have required ongoing special creations, to result in an "evolution via creation". In other words, you have the dots without the evolutionary connecting of the dots.
We do seem to have anti-evolutionists who are not clearly young Earth creationists. I am curious, as to if there are members who adhere to the Hugh Ross position.
Minnemooseus

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Minnemooseus
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Message 19 of 26 (542555)
01-10-2010 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by ICANT
01-10-2010 5:10 PM


The Randman and ICANT positions
I've been involved in at least 2 past topics relating to members whose creo/evo positions I deemed to be muddled.
Yec/Not Yec? - A "let's keep it short topic"
ICANT'S position in the creation debate
I'm now unsure if I ever got a clear position statement out of either Randman or ICANT. Perhaps the best ICANT statement came here. A bit of that message:
ICANT writes:
4. My opinion on the first human life on this earth
The first life on the present earth began during the light period that is found in Genesis 1:1 which the account/history of is given in Genesis 2:4-4:24.
This life began billions of years ago.
This life ceased to exist prior to the evening found in Genesis 1:2.
The present life on the earth began to exist some 6000 years ago when God did a restoration of the earth.
This seems to make ICANT a hybrid old life /and/ young life creationist.
ICANT writes:
5. My opinion on the modern great apes (gorillas, chimps) and modern humans having a common ancestor?
The only thing any living creatures have in common is their Creator and many of the things He created them from.
I interpret this to mean that each "kind" (and I don't want a "what is a kind?" sub-discussion - See Species/Kinds (for Peg...and others) for that) was a special creation event, with no ancestry chain from the earlier "kinds". Thus, God has been doing ongoing life special creations from billions of years ago to the more or less present.
I now pray to God, Jah, and/or TFSM that this is on topic.
In the history of the day of the creation of the universe mankind was created before plants, animals fowl or any living creature.
???
This does not seem to line up with most anyone's theology or science history. Better start a new topic if you wish to pursue that theme.
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Add "Kinds" topic link.

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Minnemooseus
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Message 24 of 26 (542573)
01-10-2010 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by ICANT
01-10-2010 9:52 PM


Old Earth / Old or Young Life
Here we are supposed to be discussing creationist who believe in an old universe/old life/ or Young universe/young life if I understand Moose.
In my opinion, young Earth/young life creationism is a beaten to death theme, wrong right from the statement of "young".
My aims are to focus on things Earth (ie. "Keep the discussion down to Earth" ). Obviously, with an old Earth also comes some variety of old universe. As such, I am interested in how anti-evolutionists (not theistic evolutionists) fit the Earth biological history into a 4.5 billion year time-frame.
Minnemooseus

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