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Author Topic:   'Some still living' disproves literal truth of the bible
Sky-Writing
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Message 110 of 479 (542649)
01-11-2010 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Peepul
10-12-2009 1:29 PM


Simple
This is impossible to reconcile with reality. If taken literally, the implication is that some of Jesus' audience are still alive today OR that Jesus has already come again, neither of which are true.
Simple. First assume it's true and accurate.
Then focus on that part that troubles you.
Perhaps those who sleep in Jesus, don't actually have to "Taste Death". We rally don't know the details of the last moments of the disciples. Perhaps Jesus came down and personally greeted each believing disciple so they never tasted death.
Them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1 Thessalonians 4:14
The lack of a thorough explanation covering every prophetic statement, suggests a wiser power and bigger picture. The story tellers all had time to add in a clear fulfillment to the prophesy if they were just making it all up.
Then perhaps seeing Jesus after the resurrection, or after the transfiguration, or even witnessing his death on the cross qualifies as seeing Him in his power.
Further study will point to one of those options.
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Sky-Writing
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Message 112 of 479 (542700)
01-12-2010 3:58 AM
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01-12-2010 2:58 AM


Re: Simpleton
First assume it's true and accurate.
Then focus on that part that troubles you.
This process of assuming the conclusion and then working backwards to organize the data is known as apologetics. It is remarkably effective.
It is. I wouldn't have survived Calculus without it.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 116 of 479 (546415)
02-10-2010 4:00 PM
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01-21-2010 10:13 AM


Re: Calculus is nothing like apologetics.
You found it easy enough to compare the two.
Pretty much mooting your own point.
I assume Calculus works, so I took the course.
I assume the Bible is Correct, so I keep looking for the answer.
Many highly trained Christian / Scientists do the same thing.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 118 of 479 (547261)
02-17-2010 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by deerbreh
02-17-2010 4:14 PM


Re: Calculus is nothing like apologetics.
You are certainly welcome to say what you wish.
It's interesting you would defend your position with
"Apologetic relies on dogma. " which is incorrect.
Dogma being a set of beliefs or values which a group of adherents are expected to follow without question.
Apologetics is the whole of the consensus of the views of those who defend a position in an argument of long standing. Yet even Satan attempted Apologetics against Jesus. So Apologetics is not even limited to believers.
Fortunately I have the ability to compare things when others are less able to do so:
Dogma : Christianity has four major branches, Roman Catholicism, the Orthodox church, Anglican, and Protestantism. Becoming a Christian requires change. As a fundamental element of religion, the term "dogma" is assigned to those theological tenets which are considered to be well demonstrated, such that their proposed disputation or revision effectively means that a person no longer accepts the given religion as his or her own, or has entered into a period of personal doubt. Dogma is distinguished from theological opinion regarding those things considered less well-known. The Bible can help people solve family and societal problems for which humanism is insufficient.
Calculus: It has two major branches, differential calculus and integral calculus, which are related by the fundamental theorem of calculus. Calculus is the study of change...A course in calculus is a gateway to other, more advanced courses in mathematics devoted to the study of functions and limits, broadly called mathematical analysis. Calculus has widespread applications in science, economics, and engineering and can solve many problems for which algebra alone is insufficient.
Sources:
Dogma - Wikipedia
Christianity - Wikipedia
How to Change Yourself: The Bible Plan for Self-improvement
http://www.bible.ca/f-family-problems.htm
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Sky-Writing
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Message 120 of 479 (547364)
02-18-2010 6:13 PM
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02-18-2010 9:13 AM


Re: Calculus is nothing like apologetics.
"1. One begins with propositional truths.
2. Other begins with demonstrable truths.
3. They couldn't be more unlike."
Hmmmm
propositional truths
demonstrable truths
I wonder if there is anyone in the entire world who could not come up with 2 word phrases that are more dissimilar in spelling, meaning, concept, sound, visual impact, etc.
Nope. I've checked with everyone in the Sprint Network I could get a hold of.
It seems you are the only one in the universe who cannot come up with (#3) two things that are more unalike.

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