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Sky-Writing
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Message 364 of 473 (542656)
01-11-2010 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Granny Magda
02-14-2009 1:28 PM


There are many errors in the Bible and this is just one of them.
The error is only in the readers mind.
There are four gospels, each telling a different point of view from a different perspective. All are painting an increasingly accurate picture with each retelling of the same events.
Is space flat or curved?
We think that space is curved.
The Bible implies that space is curved as well.
You missed that tidbit.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 366 of 473 (542658)
01-11-2010 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 363 by Blzebub
10-13-2009 1:22 PM


Re: Timing
The level of self-deception required to believe in god....
Is held by most people.
Odd how universal the belief is around the globe.
Besides, believing works wonders in a persons life.
Scientifically speaking, it gets results.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 367 of 473 (542660)
01-11-2010 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Granny Magda
02-14-2009 1:28 PM


These passages mean exactly what they say; the Earth is fixed and immobile.
Fixed to what? Flat space or curved space?
Fixed in God's hand? - I'd go for that
Fixed in time? Not jumping forward in time or back? - I'll accept that.
Fiixed in God's Mind? In God Plans? In God's Kingdom? Immobile - not subject to impact with another planet to knock it out of place then substituting itself into Earth's orbit? (When World's Collide) - Good to know
I prefer the fixed explaination.
"The world spins like a top at 2000 MPH"
"The solar system hurls through space at "
Hey guess what? I don't even KNOW how fast we are moving.
What do I USE TO MEASURE OUR SPEED???
I'm writing a new bible that is dead accurate......pray tell...EXACTLY what should I give for the speed of the solar system so that every person will know THE TRUTH?

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Sky-Writing
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Message 370 of 473 (542673)
01-11-2010 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 368 by New Cat's Eye
01-11-2010 4:58 PM


The Earth is *NOT* fixed and immobile.
The earth is NOT fixed to what?
Not fixed to the sun?
Not Fixed to The solar system?
Not in a fixed orbit?
Is the earth in a DECAYING ORBIT!!!
Do you KNOW something we don't know about?
And your NOT letting us in on it?
You Creep.
Or PERHAPS there is no good word in Greek or Hebrew
for "Stable Orbit".
Anybody out there know a good Greek word for "Stable Orbit"??
What about " The earth is in a Stable orbit around the sun which is shooting through the heavens at 62,000 MPH."
See, the problem is that anything will look wrong to you.
So..If you can't see how the rest is correct, then you can't see this either.
Edited by Sky-Writing, : No reason given.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 373 of 473 (542695)
01-12-2010 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 371 by Granny Magda
01-11-2010 7:30 PM


Are you seriously suggesting that, in the absence of a specific single word meaning "orbit" that the Bible authors would have been unable of describing an orbit? Do you imagine them to have been idiots?
No, I don't think Jesus was an idiot. And he's the author of scripture. And he used descriptive phrases to transfer meaning & ideas from God to man. The bible is not Literally true. It's Literal Truth from God to Mankind. So if God tells us the Earth is fixed, then in some way it is. It may not have a nail through the center into a board, and it may not have glue smeared on the bottom, but in some way that God wanted us to realize, it's fixed.
It may be fixed in HIS mind, or maybe the the beginning, middle, and end are all planned out, or the phrase may actually be a lever to get people to study more.
Whatever the truth behind the phrase is, the only way to discover what it means, is polar opposite to your approach.
You'll suffer the loss of knowledge that'll be far worse than any ridicule I'll get for not having a good answer ready for you.
Compiling "mistakes" in the Bible? Good luck with that.
People have devoted years to such folly already.
It never gains them anything.
No, I have to retract that. Josh McDowell did that.
So I say in earnest....Good Luck with That! God Speed.
Edited by Sky-Writing, : Retraction

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Sky-Writing
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Message 376 of 473 (543425)
01-18-2010 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 375 by Granny Magda
01-12-2010 5:14 AM


Hi Sky. It seems that you have some very extreme and unrealistic ideas about the Bible that are going to make any kind of discussion very difficult here.
Sure Granny, If you say so.
I don't know of anyone (save for yourself) who seriously believes that Jesus wrote the Bible.
It's a spiritual comment. If you don't read scripture, You may not get it.
Apart from anything else, several of the quotes under discussion are from the Old Testament and pre-date Jesus' birth.
Birth as a MAN, correct.
The bible is not Literally true. It's Literal Truth from God to Mankind.
This is an absurd and essentially meaningless non-statement.
It means that when you read the words, no matter what the language or translation happens to be, God is speaking to you.
It may be fixed in HIS mind, or maybe the the beginning, middle, and end are all planned out, or the phrase may actually be a lever to get people to study more.
Or it might mean that the earth is fixed, immobile and shall not be moved... just like it says. It seems that the only reason you have for rejecting this interpretation is that it is not actually a true statement about the real Earth and you have taken the literal truth of the Bible as your starting assumption. That may be very comforting for you but it is of no use in a discussion of this nature.
No. I take the words as literally words from God to me. God is making a point about something. I look forward to a study on this phase just because it confuses you. And the only way for me to study this phrase, which is so critical to your understanding of scripture, is for me NOT to approach it as a mistake, but as a true statement.
If it was a mistake...I'd be a moron to give it a second thought. Why should I study mistakes?
Instead, Ill give the attention you think it deserves.
If the only way to understand this text is to accept it as truth without even comprehending what it says, as you seem to be suggesting, then I am content to remain ignorant....
my bad
Compiling "mistakes" in the Bible? Good luck with that.
I am making no such effort. As far as I am concerned, there are more than enough obvious mistakes in the Bible for any reasonable observer to realise that it is far from the book of literal truth that you imagine it to be.
Compiling/counting/totaling/tracking or noticing "mistakes" in the Bible? Good luck with that.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 377 of 473 (543426)
01-18-2010 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 371 by Granny Magda
01-11-2010 7:30 PM


Sky, you are approaching this backwards.
The earth is NOT fixed to what?
Not fixed to the sun?
etc.
What matters is what the text is saying, what the authors intended it to say.
That is part 1 of the three parts to contextual reading, you know that.
Or PERHAPS there is no good word in Greek or Hebrew
for "Stable Orbit".
Anybody out there know a good Greek word for "Stable Orbit"??
Are you seriously suggesting that, in the absence of a specific single word meaning "orbit" that the Bible authors would have been unable of describing an orbit?
No reason to actually. The message is getting through without your assistance.
Most people can't measure the curvature of the earth. Practically speaking, it's flat.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 378 of 473 (543427)
01-18-2010 1:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Granny Magda
02-14-2009 1:28 PM


They viewed the earth as fixed and immobile, resting upon pillars or foundations.
No they didn't.
Job is older so is part of what David already knows.
Job 26,7
7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
No "foundations" here.
Gen 10,25"for in his days was the earth divided;"
So, literally, that's not fixed.
Psalm 104:6,7 describes the abating of the waters which stood above the mountains; the eighth verse properly translated says, "The mountains rose up; the valleys sank down."
So. literally, that's not fixed.
"all the fountains of the great deep broken up" (Genesis 7:11).
So Literally, THAT'S not fixed and immobile.
So your premise is wrong.
The writers didn't think what you say.
Understanding scripture is not as simple as taking a sentence or three out of context.
Edited by Sky-Writing, : .

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Sky-Writing
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Message 380 of 473 (543472)
01-18-2010 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 379 by Granny Magda
01-18-2010 2:43 AM


Are you having English comprehension problems or something? You don't hang things from foundations. That's not how foundations work. If you're trying to hang things upon foundations, ur doin it rong.
That is correct. The earth is hanging upon nothing. So it has no "foundations". This is older text. More recent writers know this these writings as background to what they write.
So there are no "foundations" that the earth sits upon, because it is already hanging. You agree. So our understanding of the word "FOUNDATIONS" must take this idea into account. We call that "Literary Criticism". I'd love to look over your guidelines, though you've not made any reference to the guidelines you use.
Here's an example:Bible Study Tract: Historical-Critical Method
Edited by Sky-Writing, : Defining Criticism.
Edited by Sky-Writing, : .

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