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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Brian writes: One, yet not the same. Jesus died. God never died.
Well Christians tell me that Jesus and His daddy are one and the same!
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Brian Member (Idle past 5285 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Well He didn't really die, he just ahd a three day seminar series in Hell, then He was up running about again with His mates.
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Jar writes: You and I often discuss the difference between source and content. I have said two things. One that "The message of Jesus would be valid even if Jesus had only been myth and tales told around the campfire." I have also said that while Jesus lived here among us, I believe he was fully human. I usually take the position that the source of wisdom (which I believe to be GOD) is a necessary component of the value of that wisdom. You usually say that the source of wisdom is irrelevant, but that the content of the wisdom determines its value. IF Jesus was just a myth and a story told around ancient campfires, the storytellers still would have to acquire their content from some sort of a source, wouldn't they? In order to tell a good story around a campfire, one needs either:
I guess my question is this: How can a good storyteller have good content without having good source(s)?
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jar Member (Idle past 165 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I usually take the position that the source of wisdom (which I believe to be GOD) is a necessary component of the value of that wisdom. God told Marshal Applewhite to gather the folk and to abandon these husks. Great source, shitty message. It does not matter what the source is, you need to test the message against reason, logic and reality. God tells you to get a gun and go kill folk, you test message, decide it is stupid, say "Sorry big guy, no thanks."
In order to tell a good story around a campfire, one needs either: # experience # good teachers (such as other storytellers, which leads to the question of the source of wisdom for the very first storyteller) # Common sense (which usually is found through observation, logic, reason, and experience of reality). I guess my question is this: How can a good storyteller have good content without having good source(s)? Basically all those are internal. You gather experiences by being a good observer. Those who simply float through this life don't really experience much of it. Observing, listening, like critical thinking are skills you learn. The first storyteller gained his talent the same way the last storyteller will. The thing you left out, and it is VERY important, is that to be a storyteller you also need imagination, you take ordinary, mundane, everyday things and embellish them. Some friends meet on the beach for a fish fry becomes they meet for a fish fry but forgot the fish. They pull in a net and wow, it is full of fish. Imagination and embellishment. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Suspend-a-Jar writes: Funny, as I reread these old topics, but we indulge in exactly the same arguments today! It does not matter what the source is, you need to test the message against reason, logic and reality.![]()
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iano Member (Idle past 2266 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Phat writes: Funny, as I reread these old topics, but we indulge in exactly the same arguments today! It's not an argument Phat - and it never will be. It's the blindness which is manifested by unadulterated unbelief.
Suspend-a-Jar writes:
Some friends meet on the beach for a fish fry becomes they meet for a fish fry but forgot the fish. They pull in a net and wow, it is full of fish. Imagination and embellishment.
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towiel Junior Member (Idle past 3288 days) Posts: 4 From: Linvingston, TX USA Joined: |
Hmmm ... I think we should be careful in our defining a 'Christian' versus defining a 'Believer'. Believers in the Messiah can include Christians, Messianic Jews, and other groups that are all rather different from one another in some doctrines yet all are trying to follow Scripture as best as they know.
This link goes to an article that delineates 'Christians' by their traditions rather than their stance on belief in Messiah: EzineArticles Submission - Submit Your Best Quality Original Articles For Massive Exposure, Ezine Publishers Get 25 Free Article Reprints
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Looks like some things never change! We are again talking about whether or not jar is a Christian and what the criteria are for such a title. Look back through this old topic and many of the issues will be brought up again.
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Phat Member Posts: 18716 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.2 |
Phat writes: The issue seems to hinge on whether doing good simply for the sake of doing good carries as much weight with God as the concept of trusting in Him and allowing His Spirit to permeate your daily life. ringo writes: You were more open to how a believer thinks back then! Dont throw that away.... If we trust in Him and allow His Spirit to permeate our daily lives, what other effects could there be than doing good simply for the sake of doing good? Conversely, if somebody doesn't do good simply for the sake of doing good, how can he be trusting in God? And how can he be allowing God's Spirit to permeate his daily life?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith ![]()
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jar Member (Idle past 165 days) Posts: 34140 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: We are again talking about whether or not jar is a Christian and what the criteria are for such a title. Which just shows folk will talk about anything no matter how stupid it makes them appear. If someone is a member of the Elks Club, they are an Elk. If someone is a member of The Shriners, they are a Shriner. I am a member of a recognized Christian Denomination. That means once again, reality wins. Someone can question whether or not I am a Christian but that simply shows their utter ignorance and disconnect from reality. Some folk love to appear stupid it seems.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1731 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... We are again talking about whether or not ______ is a Christian ... Fixed it for you. A Christian is anyone who self-identifies as a Christian. Period. Now, if someone says "______ is a not a true Christian" what do they really mean? They mean that they are not the same kind of Christian. Which is fine, imho, as there are hundred (if not thousands or millions) of different ways to be a Christian. In fact I would even go so far as to say that everyone that self-identifies as a Christian is different from everyone else that self-identifies as a Christian, that it means something different for each and every one of you. This is why there are so many sects, why every priest, pastor, etc goes about it differently. Every Christian is different. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 737 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I am open to how a believer thinks but you could try thinking something new for a change.
You were more open to how a believer thinks back then! Dont throw that away....
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Stile Member (Idle past 369 days) Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
Phat writes: The issue seems to hinge on whether doing good simply for the sake of doing good carries as much weight with God as the concept of trusting in Him and allowing His Spirit to permeate your daily life. So, what would you do? You are presented with a situation: 1. You can do some good for the sake of doing good for a moment.BUT... in this moment you are unable to "trust in Him and allow His Spirit to permeate your daily life." OR 2. You can trust in Him and allow His Spirit to permeate your daily life for a moment.BUT... in this moment you are unable to do some good for the sake of doing good. Figure out the priority, and you'll figure out if you care whether or not someone is going to hinge an issue on such a thing. "But, they're the same thing! If I do one, I'm automatically doing the other!"-if this is your response, then no issue can ever "hinge on" determining which carries more weight -if this is truly your response, then you don't have an issue with atheism, either ![]()
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