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Author Topic:   Species/Kinds (for Peg...and others)
New Cat's Eye
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Message 397 of 425 (543101)
01-15-2010 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 396 by hooah212002
01-15-2010 11:09 AM


Re: Kind
Except that science is a hell of alot more concise so as not to confuse a wolf for a dog. There may not be a specific designation for species, but general science will never confuse two obviously different species.
But dogs and wolves are the same species... Canis lupus.
They are different subspecies.
Subspecies of Canis lupus - Wikipedia

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 400 of 425 (543105)
01-15-2010 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 398 by hooah212002
01-15-2010 11:45 AM


Re: Kind
I suppose it would be easier (and require less, if any, actual thought) if I just said a kind is a kind, and left it at that. However, I can't do that.
Why not?
Why does it matter what the extremely specific definition of 'kind' is?
The Bible doesn't provide one. Why can't it remain a general term? A 'kind' would be a grouping of animals that brings forth the same thing as itself.
If you take it down to the speicies level, then there's too many of them to fit on an ark. If you bring up to, say, the family or genus level, then there'd be too much "hyper-evolution" to get the diversity we see now today.
I suppose the most bestest definition could be found, though. Say we have a sliding scale between the number of kinds we would have, where on one end it would be if we used 'species' and on the other end if we used 'family'. If slid too far to the left, they don't fit on an ark, if slid too far to the right, there's too much diversity today. We'd have to find the optimal place to put the slider so that they could all fit on an ark, but we don't have too much diversity today.
I think that that definition of kind would not fit nicely with our current classification system, whereas sometimes kind would fit with a whole family, sometimes it would fit with a genus, and sometimes it would fit with a species.
And at the end of the day, what would we really have accomplished?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 403 of 425 (543109)
01-15-2010 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 402 by hooah212002
01-15-2010 12:24 PM


Re: Kind
in a general discussion, the term kind is fine. but this isn't a general discussion, now is it? Creo's use the term to validate a global flood, they use it to validate a young earth, they use it to validate genesis. Guess what? When you use the same term as your proof, yet keep it's meaning so flexible: your proof is shit.
I give 2 shits if you, me, or joe blow says " I saw me a kind of possum th' other day". But when you say "the biblical flood is TRUE" and go on and use this ONE term as evidence....you kinda need to stick to some sort of specifics. "Kind" may as well mean moon rocks then.
Good luck. I hope you at least enjoy yourself while trying to move the immovable.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 405 of 425 (543113)
01-15-2010 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 404 by Coyote
01-15-2010 12:31 PM


Re: Kind
You seem to have some kind of a mental block when it comes to science.
Oh come on. You know its intentional.
He's just being obtuse.
The same thing happens when I debate my grampa. He expects you to pay well attention to his points and when it comes around to listenting to yours, its all equivocation or pedantry. The seriousness flies right out the window.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 407 of 425 (543116)
01-15-2010 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by hooah212002
01-15-2010 12:40 PM


Re: Kind
I can't see the pic. Work keeps things locked down pretty tight.
It was a joke. Can you just see it at the web location?:
http://www.mattcutts.com/images/duty_calls.png

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