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Nuggin
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Message 29 of 48 (545350)
02-03-2010 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by mike the wiz
02-03-2010 9:00 AM


It's not assuredness, it's that a deduction is the same as getting a maths problem correct, only we are using language, that foggy problem!
If you calculate 5 x 5 and KNOW it's 25 do you doubt yourself, because people can't see it?
Now, I am not always correct, this I conceded, but I can tell you whether I am correct certainly, when I am.
There is a particular kind of arrogance that I only ever seem to find in Christians who are so self righteous that they are _sure_ they are correct.
The problem is these people are inevitably under educated and virtually without rational thought.
Yes, if you and everyone else agrees 5x5=25, then it's probably correct.
However, if you insist that it's 26, because you _KNOW_ it is, and the vast majority of people are telling you you are wrong, you need to re-evaluate the "skills" that you are using to come to your conclusion.
Religion is fine the same way philosophy or professional sports are fine. If you want to spend you time doing that, good for you. The problem is that more often than not, people who spend their time being "religious" aren't doing so for themselves.
If they were, we'd never hear about it.
No, they are doing so to shove it into everyone else's face, it breeds a kind of profound intolerance, a core hatred and a pillar of complete ignorance - and those three things are what drives these people.
If there were any truly religious people, they wouldn't be posting to a web forum such as this - trying to PROVE to us or SHOW OFF how spiritual they are.
Would the Dali Lama be posting to EVC? I think not.
So, any time we see someone with an icon proclaiming their faith, it's a fair bet that this person isn't worthy of the image they've chosen.

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Nuggin
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Message 32 of 48 (545363)
02-03-2010 12:55 PM
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02-03-2010 12:33 PM


Spoken like a man who's sure they're not. Or sure they can't know what they say they know.
I do know this. No Christian has ever been able to adequately answer my questions about historical duplication of Jesus "facts".

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Nuggin
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Message 36 of 48 (545387)
02-03-2010 2:35 PM
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02-03-2010 2:20 PM


And you who is sure you are correct is ... what precisely?
I don't want to insult your intelligence but do you know the difference between personal experience and theoretical existence?
They are sure they are correct about A BIG INVISIBLE WIZARD.
I am sure that I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT MET ANYONE WHO CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION.
Can you SERIOUSLY not tell the difference?
Are you suggesting that if you were to say: "I've never been to Siberia" that we should not take that statement as fact because you can not be certain whether or not you have been to Siberia?
How about "I was not alive 1,000,000 years ago"?
How about "I am not a tree"?
How about "I have eaten turkey"?
These are all things which you feel as just as unproven, unverifiable and unknowable as a mystical invisible baby killer who lives in imagination land and has a thing for the Jews?
Really? THAT'S you best argument?

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Nuggin
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Message 37 of 48 (545389)
02-03-2010 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Stile
02-03-2010 1:07 PM


Re: Round 2
I'll try again to ask my question:
What's more important... helping other people, or making sure they've heard of Jesus Christ?
Given that most Christians don't have a clue about "Jesus", clearly "hearing of" Jesus Christ is completely worthless.
I assume you've heard of Hitler. Does that make you a Nazi? Does it make you a bad person? How about Nero? How about Dahlmer? Or Jack the Ripper? How about Darth Vader?
Hearing about someone (be they real or imagined) is utterly unimportant in regards to gauging someone's actions or "goodness"

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