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Message 26 of 48 (545347)
02-03-2010 9:06 AM

Reply to: Message 23 by mike the wiz
02-03-2010 7:05 AM

See you later

mike the wiz writes:

I think deep down - Taz needs to know for himself, the real Christ, and focus on what he said and done, and not what Christians fail at doing, so very miserably.

What if Taz just focused on being a good person, instead of "the real Christ", would that be enough?

What is your priority? Recruitment, or being good and nice?

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Message 28 of 48 (545349)
02-03-2010 10:59 AM

Reply to: Message 27 by iano
02-03-2010 9:21 AM

Re: See you later

iano writes:

Which, I think, is what the "real Christ" set out to teach both in word and in (by comparison with his) deed

Which is exactly my question, what's more important? Recruiting for the "real Christ" or his words and deeds that described/showed how to be "good and nice" (for the most part)?

Recruitment by being good and nice ... I'd wager Mike saying

So "both" then? You're certainly allowed to have 2 priorities that you hold in equal regard. Just makes it difficult if there's ever a situation where one must choose between them. Nothing wrong with that... it's just more complex.

Just focusing on being "good and nice" is much simpler and seems better than trying to add "recruitment" into the mix... without any "good and nice" reason to add such a thing, anyway.

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Message 33 of 48 (545368)
02-03-2010 1:07 PM

Reply to: Message 30 by iano
02-03-2010 12:23 PM

Round 2

iano writes:

I'd see it as the one priority consisting of two parts. Letting your light shine (being good & nice) as part of the mechanism of recruitment. That doesn't require a choosing between the two componants of the priority.

Your wording is leading me to believe that what I mean by "being good and nice" isn't the same as what you mean by "being good and nice". Likewise, I don't think we're thinking of the same thing by the word "recruitment" either.

I'll try again to ask my question:

What's more important... helping other people, or making sure they've heard of Jesus Christ?

Here's a scenario to help describe my question:

You are in the centre of a street. You learn of two people, one in a building on the North side, the other in a building on the South side.

Person in North building - Is very adept at helping others yet does not know of any person named Jesus Christ.

Person in South building - Has in-depth knowledge of Jesus Christ. But doesn't help other people.

Who do you go and talk to first?

Going to see the North building fellow first would imply that knowledge of Jesus is more important.
Going to see the South building fellow first would imply that helping others is more important.

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Message 38 of 48 (545397)
02-03-2010 3:30 PM

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02-03-2010 2:39 PM

Re: Round 2

Nuggin writes:

earing about someone (be they real or imagined) is utterly unimportant in regards to gauging someone's actions or "goodness"

Yes, I agree.

I'm simply trying to fight my way through iano's philisophical semantics in order to actually get to something concrete.

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Message 43 of 48 (545541)
02-04-2010 7:14 AM

Reply to: Message 41 by iano
02-03-2010 7:51 PM

Let's take this outside

Actually, your latest post seems to have cleared things up quite a bit. I was out of time yesterday, though.

But this doesn't seem like the best place for such a discussion, I'm going to propose a new topic and link to it from here.

This spot right here!!

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