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Author Topic:   What is Supernatural?
Huntard
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Message 81 of 230 (545219)
02-02-2010 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by MatterWave
02-02-2010 9:23 AM


Re: I raise you a Super-Duper-Natural realm
MatterWave writes:
...since it's you who declares that for a spoon to exist a god is not required, the onus is on you to provide evidence.
Ok. I have seen the process that it takes to make a spoon (don't remember if it was on any of those Discovery Channel programs like "How it's Made"), and nowhere in there did I see a god taking part in the process.

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Huntard
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Message 83 of 230 (545222)
02-02-2010 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Stile
02-02-2010 10:38 AM


Re: I raise you a Super-Duper-Natural realm
Stile writes:
And, again, if you insist on presupposing that some Supernatural realm exists. I must insinst that a Super-Duper-Nautural realm exists that is beyond the mere, lowly, useless Super-ness of your own mundane imagination.
Also, if he wants to say that a god doesn't need such a realm (which is in fact controlled by me, by the way. No, I will not reveal my methods), then let him present evidence that no such thing is needed for a god to exist.

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Huntard
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Message 106 of 230 (545342)
02-03-2010 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by MatterWave
02-03-2010 5:03 AM


Re: A pointless exercise
MatterWave writes:
Existence can be both natural or supernatural, depending on whether a god exists or not.
I think you're limiting yourself way too much.
Existence can also be Hypernatural, depending on whether a hyper-god exists or not.
It can be superduper natural, depending on whether a super duper-god exists.
It can be xingaly, depending on whether a xonsong exists.
Do you get what you're doing here?

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Huntard
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Message 128 of 230 (545402)
02-03-2010 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by MatterWave
02-03-2010 1:05 PM


Re: A pointless exercise
MatterWave writes:
So the best you could do to respond to the biggest questions of humanity is what...? Kindergarten stuff?
I'm serious here. Are you denying existence can be any of these things? Because if you are, you are special pleading.
It's not really a big question to me anyway, and I know a lot of people that don't care for it either.

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Huntard
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Message 140 of 230 (545420)
02-03-2010 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by MatterWave
02-03-2010 4:35 PM


Re: A pointless exercise
MatterWave writes:
These propositions of yours are irrelevant to the point that you don't know if anything can be in existence without the act of a god.
They are completely relevant to the point. Are you saying you can know that existence does not require Xongsong? Because again, if you can, you are special pleading.
I am not making assumptions what god is or is not.
I am not making any assumptions about what Xongsong is either.
So, again, can you know that existence does not require Xongsong? If you say you can, you are special pleading.

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Huntard
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Message 211 of 230 (546198)
02-09-2010 9:52 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by MatterWave
02-03-2010 5:04 PM


Re: A pointless exercise
First of, sorry for the late reply, I missed this one.
MatterWave writes:
No. Existence is beyond me.
Then why limit yourself to just god? Why not incorporate Xonsong into your claims?
No. Existence is beyond me. And I am not willing to make unwarranted assumptions that i can know what God is or whether God has anything remotely simiular to a physical appearance, and whether it's a spaghetti monster, etc. I leave this excercise to the inhabitants of kindergartens.
But why limit yourself to god then? Your very adamant that we should acknowledge the possibility of god, but when it comes to Xonsong, or Hyper-god, or Super-duper-god, you suddenly are unwilling to commit to that. Why? Notice that all these entitites are ditinct from your god. They are not your god, they could however also be required for existence, couldn't they?

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 224 of 230 (546327)
02-10-2010 3:31 AM
Reply to: Message 219 by MatterWave
02-09-2010 7:50 PM


Re: A pointless exercise
MatterWave writes:
Where did i limit myself to just 1 God?
Well, you keep saying stuff like this:
quote:
Would that be the evidence that existence is natural and does not require God?
I see only one god there.
So you want me to make a list of one million names and call that God?
No, once again, the things I named aren't god. They're different. But somehow you think they're not required for existence. That's special pleading.
I could, but how is that beneficial to your position?
Do you know what my position is? I want you to look good and hard at your own position. You're advocating very adamantly that existence could require your god. However, you don't do the same for Xonsong, or super-duper-god? Why is that?
I can compile a list or copy paste a phone directory for you.
I'm sure you could.
Is that going to constitute evidence that existence is natural and does not require God?
Why limit yourself again? It does not demonstrate god not requiring Xonsong to exist either. Nor that existence does not require Xonsong. Why advocate so adamantly for one, yet not the other? You keep just mentioning your god, why? Xongsong has feelings to you know.

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