What is Supernatural?

Really? If existence requires a god, then the god would be a prerequisite for its own existence. So we know that existence cannot require a god.

How does your comment relate to mine?Let me put it another way for you. Nothing can be a prerequisite for existence itself.

God's existence cannot be a prerequisite for existence itself. As soon as he exists, then existence exists. If he is eternal, then existence is eternal. Obviously. No. It's the definition of existence. Nothing can precede it without having it as a quality. So, nothing can be a prerequisite for it. Of course. What's that got to do with anything?

Dictionaries don't need to single out things to which existence is applicable as it applies to everything that is, by definition. It is the fact or state of being, and if there is a god, he has that quality, and if there isn't, then the non-he hasn't.I must admit that you're an original. It's the first time I've come across the suggestion that things might have been created by a non-existent creator.This could be described as the atheists' creator. It brings a new dimension to the concept of omnipotence. A god so powerful that he can create without actually existing himself.Would you care to expand on the idea? I'm fascinated, and I'm sure everyone else is. If you read my brief posts, you'll see that there is no claim to understand god's existence. I merely point out that he, like everything else, cannot be a prerequisite for existence itself. However, you seem to be disagreeing by proposing a non-existent god who creates existence.Don't you suspect that there might be a few readers of this thread laughing at this point?

What's vague about "the fact or state of being"? Non-existent means non-existent in all reality regardless of anyone's perceptions. Frequently. They often claim that he's omnipresent. They certainly believe that he exists. Christians are generally defined as a group of people who believe that the Christian god exists. Ask them. Without existing. Period. Something either exists or it doesn't. It has nothing to do with our perceptions or particular dimensions or what we believe. Things either are, or they aren't. You had no idea that an atheist might agree with the non-existence of god? Do explain. We now seem to be in the bizzare MatterWave world in which Christians are expected to agree to the non-existence of god, and atheists to disagree. What is a plane of existence? Things either exist or they don't. Aren't you overcomplicating the concept of existence? God's existence? I thought you were suggesting a non-existent god? The state of being. The United States of America didn't exist 300 years ago, and now it does exist. The Roman Empire existed 2000 years ago, and now it doesn't exist.What I initially picked you up on was when you seemed to be implying that the phenomenon of existence itself might require a creator. It cannot, because existence would have to be a quality of that creator, don't you agree?

Could you sort out your quote boxes on that post, Matter, as it's not clear who's saying what? If you want to use nested quotes, use the peek button below to see how it works.