What is Supernatural?

Dictionaries reflect things we understand. When there is something that we don't understand, dictionary tend to be vague. Really? Non-existent as in non-existent in what we perceive as reality? I am not really a Christian, but does Christianity claim that God resides within our world/reality? "without actually existing himself" in what we perceive to be a 3D reality. I no idea an atheist would agree to such a proposition. How would I? By making additional assumptions? I'll leave this courtesy to you. The following statement reveals that you put the existence of humans and the existence of God on the same plane of existence. You should not make that assumption, because you don't understand your own plane of existence. The conclusion you draw at the end is a non-sequitur: You are applying your limited capacity of understanding to something way beyond your comprehension. Both your own existence and that of God is incomprehensible. Existent, non-existent - it's not of great importance what labels you'd attach. At the end of the day, you still don't know and understand what existence is. I certainly do. After so many ill-thought attempts at showing how your group somehow understands existence, ha ha.Edited by MatterWave, : No reason given.

It's just a label. There is nothing behind the label that would tell us anything worthwhile about what existence/non-existence is. It says nothing about why there is something rather than nothing. And speculations and assumptions of what existence is are really personal human beliefs. We need to understand existence and we make assumptions. It's ok, as long we are aware that they are merely assumptions. Another term that you have no idea what it really represents - Reality. What is it?? You don't know. Then why the leap of faith about what existence in reality is, when you don't know what these both really are? Or it exists in a way you can't comprehend. Same as how you can't comprehend your own existence. Reality is a plane of existence. I see no better way to express my observations of the outside world. You are not sugesting that I am overcomplicating, what is possibly the biggest question of the human race, are you? The way we exist in our reality, yes, you could say i don't think a God of any sorts is explicitly manifest in our reality. These are labels.What I initially picked you up on was when you seemed to be implying that the phenomenon of existence itself might require a creator. It cannot, because existence would have to be a quality of that creator, don't you agree? What's vague about "the fact or state of being"? Non-existent means non-existent in all reality regardless of anyone's perceptions. Frequently. They often claim that he's omnipresent. They certainly believe that he exists. Christians are generally defined as a group of people who believe that the Christian god exists. Ask them. Without existing. Period. Something either exists or it doesn't. It has nothing to do with our perceptions or particular dimensions or what we believe. Things either are, or they aren't. You had no idea that an atheist might agree with the non-existence of god? Do explain. We now seem to be in the bizzare MatterWave world in which Christians are expected to agree to the non-existence of god, and atheists to disagree. What is a plane of existence? Things either exist or they don't. Aren't you overcomplicating the concept of existence? God's existence? I thought you were suggesting a non-existent god? The state of being. The United States of America didn't exist 300 years ago, and now it does exist. The Roman Empire existed 2000 years ago, and now it doesn't exist. If God is an advanced race of beings similar to us mortal humans, who live in a deterministic, causation-driven reality, yes. But then we'll have to embrace the turtles.Or God is as incomprehensible as our existence is. I don't believe our minds are all-powerful and able comprehend the whole of reality. This is utopia to me.

I don't see what you mean by this. So you don't know what to say and you decided you want to hijack the thread to a new topic, namely "What is real?". Where did i bring up this topic? If you don't know what to say, don't make stuff up. This is a tremendously important question. It is a philosophical question only as much as it cannot be abswered by science. There are many more important questions that science cannot answer, but yes, they are counter-productive to your personal assumptions. I understand. I am glad you understand that you are making an assumption(that you find logical). Others disagree about the validity of your assumption and you have provided absolutely no evidence for that assumption, except that it suits your taste of how you want the world to be.Edited by MatterWave, : No reason given.

Scientists first muse and make a hypothesis over unsolved questions, then they test the hypothesis. Is this news to you? Your statement that scientists aren't philosophical(thinking about the big questions) is completely false.

How generous. You provided for me words i never said, then you provided a conclusion for me, based on the things i didn't say. Great way to argue.

Assuming you can understand everything is a logical fallacy. You are not a God-like, or are you? Do you understand that you are making the assumption that your mind can comprehend all aspects of existence, including existence itself? Edited by MatterWave, : No reason given.

Yes, they test different aspects of reality. They see an unexplained event, they muse over it, they make a hypothesis and they test it. They are not retards who directly shoot for impossible targets like existence. Instead, they pick different aspects of existence and are slowly building a model that may one day prove successful in matching reality to a great degree of accuracy. Do you understand this point?Edited by MatterWave, : No reason given.

What faith??? I could be wrong about reality and existence and as you can see from my wording, it was meant to be the best GUESS i have. I don't have the strong convictions that my assumptions are necessarily correct on untestable propositions that most of you have.

I said: Do you need a dictionary definition of "NOT"? Do you have a point beside misunderstaning "yes" and "no"?

No, i am saying that you can make 187987989 0980 assumptions(this the 122nd time i am stating this!). There is really nothing wrong with that, AS LONG AS you are aware that you are making those assumptions. Whether existence is natural or supernatural is somethig we cannot test. That is actually what you are doing - insisting that your beliefs are more valid than others. Edited by MatterWave, : No reason given.

No, it boils down to... " I exist". Think about it. Now think more about it. There is an I that exists. If you are not asking - WTF is this, you are not really thinking.If you think you understand reality and existence... you don't! You also don't really understand matter, time, free will, consciousness, space, life. Nobody does! Make as many assumptions about anything, just be aware that you are making them and don't be too categorical. Nobel prize winners aren't categorical when they speak about matter, time, free will, consciousness, space, life, reality and existence. We don't have the fundamental knowledge that you desire, be more humble and perceptive towards what you experience. The universe is stranger than you can imagine.

No. I was saying that you or anyone else for that matter, don't understand anything at all when it comes to the deep questions. You have zero knowledge, which is very evident by the complete and total lack of evidence to support your assertion that existence is natural and does not require a God.
Arguments from ignorance don't go well with 'existence' because ignorance is ALL there is with regards to these questions. You are simply not aware that you are very ignorant, because you've raised a model of the universe that you somehow believe is true. That's really not different to believing in the Bible or the Toorah. Atheists and creationist share the same non-sensical dogma that you somehow understand the Universe. You don't! Claims to the contrary don't do justice to your position and are tremendously hilarious.Edited by MatterWave, : No reason given.

Yes, of course you are right. I made an assumption. Anytime we discuss open questions, we are all making assumptions. I admit that I could be wrong, I am definitely not and will never be an atheist and am aware that i could be wrong now, in the future and possibly always. I have no problem, as opposed to the atheist dogma, to admit that my speculation could be wrong. It is still possible, though i don't see how, that God does not exist. However, asking a question like "What is Supernatural?" on a forum debating the deep questions of existence, reveals a certainty(everything is natural) that lives only in the mind of an atheist. You don't know this, like the rest of humans. You assume and believe it, it's ok to have faith in something as long as you realize you are holding faith.

Thank God you didn't say i was pushing the Toyota Prius 2010 recall.How on earth does "There is an I that exists" relate to solipsism? Solipsism is the belief that only the self exists, i stated multiple times in this thread that i believe we all exist. No. That's epistemology. Solipsism is something completely different and doesn't relate to anything i've said so far. Yep. If not being able to comprehend existence means that I am a moron, so be it. I'll take no part in your dogma and remain a moron. This is getting ridiculous, as i've typed it 100 times now. Anyone(including you - Catholic Scientist) asking the question - "What is SUpernatural?" means that the respective individual holds a strong belief in the non-existence of God. Asking such a question is being categorical on open issues. Since you can't back up your claims with evidence, your claims remain a testament of your personal beliefs.

You still can't provide even a single shred of evidence fopr your beliefs. Wining how i interrupted your nice discussion asking for evidence isn't going to magically elevate your beliefs to facts. That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard. Sounds like a Bushism, really. You exist in a natural universe and you made the correct assumption. Rest assured.Edited by MatterWave, : No reason given.