Please note that I said many "Main Stream" evolutionists, such as the ones we typically see promoted by the media...i.e. Richard Dawkins.
I have two questions; how many mainstream evolutionists can foxdog name, and why is media promotion relevant to what mainstream evolutionists believe?
I wonder if Foxdog could inform me as to the religious belief of the following, mainstream evolutionists:
Richard Fortey Pat Shipman Alan Walker Peter Grant Rosemary Grant Olivia Judson Kenneth Miller Ian Tattersall Richard Leakey Mauve Leakey Mary Leakey Lewis Leakey John Gillespie Donald Johanson William Ryan Walter Pitman Jeffrey Schwartz Mark Perakh Stephen Gould Donald Prothero Douglas Futuyma Jennifer Clack
The reason I ask is that the subject of the religious belief of any evolutionary researcher never came up in my studies of evolutionary biology. As a result, I am aware of the religious opinions of the above scientists only if they have chosen to make their beliefs known outside of any discussion of evolutionary biology. That is true only of Kenneth Miller and Stephen Gould, as far as I know.
If Foxdog (what an appropriate name for a discussion of evolution) knows of other mainstream evolutionists who claim to be atheists, then please tell us. From my own experience, I encountered few evolutionary biologists who claimed to be atheists. As I recall, the topic never came up because it was irrelevant.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Added link directly to message 83.
I think it was actually Message 78 when he claimed that mainstream evolutionists are atheists:
Contrary to the assertions of main stream evolutionists (who also just happen to be atheists by the way), evolution is not testable, nor can it make any predictions.
Personally, I would be more interested in taking on the claims that follow his faux pas (i.e., that evolution is not testable and cannot make any predictions).
At any rate, I'm still trying to decide whether it offends me that I've been kicked out of the "mainstream evolutionist" club by someone who...
(1) ...doesn't know me. (2) ...certainly isn't a member of the club himself. (3) ...doctors a quote from himself by adding the word "many," thus indicating that he knows he was wrong the first time around. (4) ...uses "i.e." when he actually means "e.g." Okay, that's probably not related to anything, but it bugs me.
quote:An Ecumenical Christian minister, Bakker has said there is no real conflict between religion and science. He has advised non-believers and creationists to read the views put forward by Saint Augustine, who argued against a literal understanding of the Book of Genesis. 
I must admit that Adminnemooseus is correct. The OP isn't all that exciting. No wonder that he wasn't enthused about the quality of the post. This objection to evolution that is proffered by creationists isn't of very high quality in the first place.
One gets so tired of the constant claim by creationists that evolutionary science = atheism. Creationists aren't capable of understanding why that assertion is wrong. Creationists generally assert that any finding of science that is in conflict with their view that the Bible is historically accurate in every detail is wrong. Since they are "true" christians, anyone who disagrees with them must be an atheist. For them, there is no such thing as an christian that admits the correctness of evolutionary theory. Anyone who does not accept the tenets of their particular cult is, by definition, an atheist. Their cult rejects evolution. Ergo, anyone that accepts evolution is, by definition, an atheist.
I started this thread in an effort to keep the thread on topic. I see that I was unsuccessful.
Don't forget the Pope and a billion+ Catholics who do not have the problem with evolution that some of the other denominations have.
At one station while I was in the Army, the group chaplain was a friend. He was an ordained Lutheran minister. We spent lots of hours together driving to outlying units of the group. One of our topics of discussion on these rides was evolution. He understood and accepted evolutionary theory. And yet, he didn't seem to have any doubt about his faith.