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Buzsaw
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Message 19 of 138 (545671)
02-04-2010 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by John 10:10
01-31-2010 10:27 AM


Re: Ben & Al
John10:10 writes:
Understanding what the 911 attack was all about has been missed/misunderstood by most Americans. Bin Laden is still trying to destroy American and other western nation economies by any and all means possible, and now he has jumped on the Copenhagen/global warming band wagon to do so. "Boycott them to save yourselves and your possessions and your children from climate change and to live proud and free."
If Ben Laden can wait a little longer, the American economy will crumble from within with progressive Obamaism ruining our economy.
Hi John 10:10. I'm with you and the info you cite in the OP relative to the Ben Laden, et al, Jihadist fight to the death war against the USA, Israel and other infidel industrialized nations.
Perhaps equating Al Gore to Ben Laden is where you set yourself up for ridicule. Though they both have a man-caused global warming agenda, they do not share the same impetus.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 138 (545678)
02-04-2010 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Jon
01-31-2010 8:41 PM


Re: BSing The Thread
Jon writes:
As far as I can tell, folk like John 10:10 are much more dangerous to freedom and liberty than any member of Al Qaeda *ducks sniper round*. The biggest difference between bin Laden and John 10:10 is how many followers they have.
Hi Jon. This sort of BS is unsupported assertion hateful personal attack on my upstanding creationist bud.
Why don't you people show a little class by addressing the pertinent topic points ranther than hijacking the thread and trashing an upstanding member for sport.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 138 (545711)
02-04-2010 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Granny Magda
02-04-2010 9:00 PM


Re: BSing The Thread
GrannyMagda writes:
Because this is the sort of mockery that J10:10's idiotic screed deserves. He doesn't have any pertinent points, so there is nothing to hijack. He is actually suggesting that Gore and bin Laden are "two peas in a pod" because they both believe in global warming. You don't get to say something as stupid as that without being ridiculed.
The thread isn't good for anything other than sport. Unless you really want to defend J10:10's moronic OP? Really? Really Buz?
Hi Granny. I thought you were above this, You surely have enough intelligence to find a sensible and debatable point in the following exerpt, for example:
Hey, if you don't agree, why not show some class, a little respect and consideration for fellow an upstanding board members by addressing why you disagree.
Imo, some of you people ought to be ashamed of your condescending attitude. It goes to show who is the more hateful, and it's not John 10:10, who has been likened to one as dangerous as murderous Ben Laden the mastermind of the death of over 3000 Americans and destruction of the worlds tallest towers, significantly affecting the economies of the entire planet. .
Bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders have mentioned global warming and struck an anti-globalization tone in previous tapes and videos. But the latest was the first message by bin Laden solely dedicated to the topic. It was also nearly entirely empty of the Islamic militant rhetoric that usually fills his declarations.
The change in rhetoric aims to give al-Qaida’s message an appeal beyond hardcore Islamic militants, said Evan Kohlmann, of globalterroralert.com, a private, U.S.-based terrorism analysis group.
It’s a bridge issue, Kohlmann said. They are looking to appeal to people who don’t necessarily love al-Qaida but who are angry at the U.S. and the West, to galvanize them against the West and make them more receptive to alternative solutions like adopting violence for the cause.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 138 (545713)
02-04-2010 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by nwr
01-31-2010 11:50 AM


Re: A Hearty Welcome Back, NWR!
Hi NWR. A hearty welcome. I always appreciated your approach to fairness and balance here at EvC, though there's likely little else we can agree on. Have a good read at the OP. Some beef is there to chew on, including what I've cited. No?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 32 of 138 (545767)
02-05-2010 8:55 AM


Re: Responses Obfuscating My Position
What I said to John 10:10 way back, relative to Al & Ben, for those who's messages imply otherwise:
My position:
Buzsaw writes:
Perhaps equating Al Gore to Ben Laden is where you set yourself up for ridicule. Though they both have a man-caused global warming agenda, they do not share the same impetus.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 138 (545878)
02-05-2010 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Coragyps
02-05-2010 9:22 AM


Re: Responses Obfuscating My Position
Coragyps writes:
carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas.
Hi Coragyps. Perhaps that has a bearing on the fact that over the years my acerage has become like a jungle here in upstate NY. It appears that the plants are loving it.
As for global warming, perhaps we could use a little these days here in the Americas.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 42 of 138 (545910)
02-06-2010 8:11 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Coragyps
02-05-2010 9:12 PM


Re: Responses Obfuscating My Position
Coragyps writes:
They are plants, Buz. That's what they breathe. Ask a coral how she likes increased CO2.
If the planet survived the ice age, perhaps Ms Coral and other oxygen lubbing life will be so invigerated by all of the plant expelled oxygen that adaptation to the heat will not be a problem. Then too, who knows the Nevada desert may turn into a cactus or tropical jungle where there's lots of shade and water.
Further, perhaps the heat will make the atmosphere less dense as it warms and rises further into space such as it likely was before the flood, forming a nice greenhouse canopy over the planet, diming the sun a bit and moderating the planet's temps so that man can live hundreds of years as it was before the flood.
ABE: .........And as is implied in the Biblical prophecies relative to the emerging messianic millenium, requiring rather sudden climate change effected by global warming, now in the early stages of ever escalating climate change. The change will be rough, being the wrath of God time, so brace yourselves, ye yunguns, ole man Buz's Biblically inspired hypothesis will be vindicated and you'll see it!!
Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 53 of 138 (545951)
02-06-2010 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Coyote
02-06-2010 11:21 AM


Re: We Could Do Fine Alone, Thank You.
Coyote writes:
Good point. Let's build nuclear power plants--lots of them.
Oh, wait. The enviros won't let us.
OK, let's do space power satellites.
Oh, wait. Obama just canceled our planned heavy lift rocket.
OK, so let's put miles and miles of solar panels out in the deserts.
Oh, wait. The enviros won't let us do that either.
Any other suggestions?
Yah. Tap the largest gas reserve in the US and possibly the world in upstate NY, Pa etc.
Yah, Drill our offshores as we are paying Brazil billions, via George Soros, Obama's socialist buddy's business concern and as China is doing off our shores.
Yah, Drill a few acres at Anwr in the cold outreaches of Alaska where the carabou will graze around the cite and do just fine.
Yah, Mine the good anthracite clean buring hard coal reserves in Utah etc where President Clinton declared it unlawful.
Yah, Do all of this and more while we advance other alternatives and we'll do just fine on our own, requiring our enemies to spend more time surviving on their own than annhiilating us infidels, thank you.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 55 of 138 (545954)
02-06-2010 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Granny Magda
02-06-2010 3:19 PM


Re: Perhaps equating Al Gore to Ben Laden is where you set yourself up for ridicule
Granny Magda writes:
So when Hitler supposedly fights for the Bible and Christianity, as he indeed claimed, that makes you and him "peas in a pod"?
Your attempt at an argument is pathetic.
Granny, for the record, it was Muslim Jew hating nations, the non fundi Pope and Bishops of Rome and other socialist minded liberal non-fundi Christians who allowed Hitler to do in the Jews. Hitler in no way fought for the Bible which states, relative to Israel, "I will bless them who bless you and curse them who curse you."
It was fundi Christians like Corrie ten Boom who risked their lives to hide and rescue the Jews from Hitler and it was the largly Christian North America who did in Hitler and emacipated the Jews, siding with England allowing them to eventually become a restored nation in their own land.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 57 of 138 (545967)
02-06-2010 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Granny Magda
02-06-2010 4:06 PM


Re: Perhaps equating Al Gore to Ben Laden is where you set yourself up for ridicule
Granny Magda writes:
I am trying to highlight the flaws in J10:10's "argument". Okay?
My apologies, Granny, for the careless read.

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Buzsaw
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Message 58 of 138 (545969)
02-06-2010 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by subbie
02-06-2010 3:41 PM


Re: We Could Do Fine Alone, Thank You.
subbie writes:
Buz writes:
Obama's socialist buddy's business concern
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*blink*
*blink*
*speechless*
Hi Subbie. FYI, it's a bit complicated but perhaps this will shed some light:
According to the Wall Street Journal,
The U.S. is going to lend billions of dollars to Brazil's state-owned oil company, Petrobras, to finance exploration of the huge offshore discovery in Brazil's Tupi oil field in the Santos Basin near Rio de Janeiro. Brazil's planning minister confirmed that White House National Security Adviser James Jones met this month with Brazilian officials to talk about the loan.
The oil reserves in Brazil's Tupi oil field are likely to make Brazil one of the world's top oil exporters. In the U.S., however, domestic companies are denied access to rich oil reserves in Alaska and off the East and West Coasts. This leaves us all to wonder: why is Obama in favor of drilling off Brazil's coast, but not our own? And if drilling is so wrong, why in the world are we paying for it?
UPDATE: Bloomberg is reporting an interesting link between Obama's Petrobras deal and billionaire George Soros:
His New York-based hedge-fund firm, Soros Fund Management LLC, sold 22 million U.S.-listed common shares of Petrobras, as the Brazilian oil company is known, according to a filing today with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Soros bought 5.8 million of the company’s U.S.-traded preferred shares.
Soros is taking advantage of the spread between the two types of U.S.-listed Petrobras shares, said Luis Maizel, president of LM Capital Group LLC, which manages about $4 billion. The common shares were 21 percent more expensive than preferred today, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
Petrobras preferred shares have also a 10 percent additional dividend, said William Landers, a senior portfolio manager for Latin America at Blackrock Inc.
Given that there will most likely never be a change in control in the company, I see no reason to pay a higher price for the common shares. Brazil’s government controls Petrobras and has a majority stake of voting shares.
Hmm. Isn't it a strange coincidence that Obama-supporter Soros would reposition himself within Petrobras to receive dividends just days before Obama's $2 billion in loans and guarantees for the country's offshore drilling operations?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 63 of 138 (545979)
02-06-2010 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Dr Adequate
02-06-2010 10:02 PM


Re: Climate Change
Dr Adequate writes:
According to your political views, climate change is just fine and everything's going to be absolutely peachy.
And according to your religious views, climate change is going to wreak disaster on us all as an aspect of Armageddon.
Hi Doc. No. As a matter of fact it will get very destructive in order to effect the ultimate peachy stage as per a literal reading of scripture.
It will not be Armageddon perse as that's military action but it will definitely be apocalyptic, ever escalating to wreak disaster as per the prophecies. I didn't write them. I just look at all of the corroborating fulfilled evidence and go figure. Perhaps I will try to promote a thread on this apart from the science forums so as to explain it further and so as not to lead this thread further off topic.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 64 of 138 (545981)
02-06-2010 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by nwr
02-06-2010 8:42 PM


Re: Brazil Oil
nwr writes:
That seems to be disinformation from the usual right wing suspects.
Hi NWR.
Here is the article from the WS Journal, hardly a right wing source. Did you see the part where Soros sold his common stock so as to profit by purchasing preferred instead, having previous inside info etc in the other cite? Your leftish wing source didn't tell you that bit and I have no idea where they got the China loan connection. That's why I said this is complicated as everything connected to this administration seems to be. There does appear to be an administration connection and certainly no repudiation of the loan from the US. In the mean time, dejavu as to our dependence on foreign energy from our enemies who ultimately want us destroyed.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 66 of 138 (545983)
02-06-2010 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by subbie
02-06-2010 7:47 PM


Re: We Could Do Fine Alone, Thank You.
subbie writes:
What left me speechless, Buz old bean, was your use of the term "socialist buddy's business concern." Just to illuminate for you, socialist means government-owned business. So the idea of a socialist business concern is rather oxymoronic, even for you. And that takes some doing.
Read it again, Subbie. Are you aware that Soros, one of Obama's admired ideological buds and major early supporter was and is an avowed socialist who has disdain for free enterprise and advocates government owned and controled businesses?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 76 of 138 (546010)
02-07-2010 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by nwr
02-06-2010 11:17 PM


Re: Brazil Oil
NWR writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Here is the article from the WS Journal, hardly a right wing source.
False!
Your link is not to the Wall Street Journal. It is a link to a right wing blog.
Oh, and by the way, now that WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch, it is moving further to the right than it was previously.
Oh, by the way, Soros is a private individual driven by the profit motive. What problem to you right wingers have with that?
NWR, when the text is blocked off that usually indicates that it is a direct quote; in this case, from the WSJ and not biased blog bloviation.
Here is the same exerpt from the horse's mouth, the WS Journal's own website.
Read up on Soros. The profit motive is fine when it comes to to extended personal influence and addition to his own billions, but he is in no way a capitalist free market advocate.
I would regard Murdock as more of a centrist than conservative. If you google his name, Wiki says, for example:
In a 2008 interview with Walt Mossberg, Murdoch was asked whether he had "anything to do with the New York Post's endorsement of Barack Obama in the democratic primaries." Without hesitating, Murdoch replied, "Yeah. He is a rock star. It's fantastic. I love what he is saying about education. I don't think he will win Florida... but he will win in Ohio and the election. I am anxious to meet him. I want to see if he will walk the walk."[26][27]
.........in the general elections of 1997, 2001 and 2005, Murdoch's papers were either neutral or supported Labour under Tony Blair.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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