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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
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GM writes: Indeed. The sphericity of the heavenly bodies is obvious. The cycle of the moon is enough to demonstrate this. No-one is suggesting otherwise. As far as I can tell, the Bible authors believed the sun and moon to spherical. They probably thought of the stars as much the same, only smaller. ........This is where your argument falls down. There is no reason why the ancient Hebrews would have thought of the earth (note deliberate lack of capitalisation) as being in the same category of objects as the moon or planets. This is the piece of the puzzle that they lacked. They thought of the earth as being special, at the centre of things. They did not see it as merely one of a number of heavenly bodies . This view of the Earth was not held until after Copernicus and Galileo. Ancient peoples had no idea that the heavenly bodies were as massive as they actually are. The Bible has stars falling to earth. They had no conception of what stars really, were, as is evidenced by the consistent distinction between the sun and the stars, which are, in reality, the same thing. For them, there was no reason to connect the earth with any of the heavenly bodies. Added by Edit; I have just found a lovely verse illustrating this point; 1 Corinthians 15:40-41There are celestial bodies and there are terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another, There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. According to the wiki page on the flat Earth, Chinese astronomers, not stupid men by any standards, continued to believe the Earth to be flat into the Seventeenth Century. Your assumption that you would have been able to idly deduce what eluded them for millennia is wholly unwarranted. 1. That the earth would be regarded as flat compared to all other spherical bodies would be illogical. That the positioning of the constellations and observational cosmological changes occurred should imply that the earth was global. Imo, if they regarded the other bodies as global, they should have deduced that the earth was global. (I'm getting lazy. Global types out quicker than spherical. ) Perhaps the unlearned and more superstitious would have bought into the flat earth, but not so likely the Biblical writers, especially those like Isaiah who stated that it was circular. I think it not likely that they would regard the earth as the only flat disk or dome in the cosmos, especially since scripture had it hanging on nothing as were the other bodies. 2. As for stars falling to the earth, I cannot conceive of them thinking the stars were not distant, thus large, some more distant and of various sizes relative to brightness. Your citation of the Ist Corinthians 15 text seems to bear this out. Certainly you don't think they regarded them all as being he same distant from earth. The apostle Paul wrote of three levels of the heavens, implying that the third was the most remote. They are referred to in scripture as innumerable. That some were very dim compared to others would also tell them something. They, like most moderns were likely confused as to what that meant. Jesus, as well as OT prophets foretold the falling of the stars to earth. Jesus said in Mark 13 and other accounts of the Olivet Discourse that the heavens would be shaken and stars would fall to earth at his 2nd advent. This happens when Jesus comes in the clouds of the atmosphere. We have what would have been regarded as stars by someone on earth if they didn't know that the time would come when there would be scores of man made starlike satellites in our atmosphere. Likely these are what falls when the heavens are "shaken" at Jesus's advent. Also, missiles and other modern phenomena would have been regarded as star objects by the prophets for lack of what else to call them. 3. I believe the doctrines and ideologies of cultures not inspired by Jehovah the true god, such as were the Chinese, were more prone to getting things wrong than the Biblical prophets. That is not to say that Biblical writers and readers fully understood all that written or read. Far from it, but that they would be more likely to get it right in their record. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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hERICtic writes: there are hundreds if not thousands of contradiction and errors int the Bible. Hi Eric. Again, welcome. Eric, haven't you been told thousands of times not to exaggerate?  BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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