Biological Evidence Against Intelligent Design

Now that, for me, is a much better way of putting it. A designer explains nothing because it requires all of the things it supposedly explains in the first place. And that was my problem. The more I thought about this in terms of simple and complex the more it seemed I was applying circular reasoning. I think you are right that for the purposes of this debate defining simple and complex is unnecessary. Instead we should just think of this in terms of what it is we are trying to explain in the first place. And recognise that invoking the same things we are trying to explain as the explanation is rather pointless.Well it makes more sense to me like that anyway.

I don't know. If I randomly splatter a canvas and then want to digitally send the result to someone else how much information might be required to do that? If I draw a circle on a canvas along with the equation for a circle and send that instead is that more or less information? Is it more or less complex?I am not really making a point here beyond that I am not so sure that it is easy to define such things. But I may be conflating "meaning" with "information". I don't know.Hey RAZ - We have found something to which I am happy to declare "I don't know". You should be happy