Reverse realm and contradictions of bible translation

it was a long long long long long time ago when I went over all this but trust me there are a lot of issues between manuscripts and translations. FYI: Original manuscripts are identified as "autographs".

p.s. I will repost here later with some more info in relation to the errors between biblical translations and manuscripts.

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Hey, here is the link to one of the other EVC threads discussing the differences between translations and manuscripts.

FYI: This link is just one of many.

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I know what it was about but the facts are still the same. Read the thread. The thread talks about the facts of there being differences(many) between biblical translations(also manuscripts) and biblical manuscripts(in original assumed language).

Here are some links from that thread to get you started in the right direction. Follow their lead and see what YOU find. Then come back with a reasonable response. A response that the texts match is not reasonable. The evidence is pointed out in the links below and it is clear that the biblical manuscripts/translations are different from each other.

http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&m=257506

http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&m=257506

http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&m=470113

http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=page&t=8101...

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look man, I am not going to do the research for you. I pointed you in the right direction. I am simply trying to give you some more FACTS. The facts are that biblical manuscripts don't match. Since biblical manuscripts don't match it is CLEAR that in reality when you read the Bible your reading text that is not pure to the autographs.

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I am pointing out that it does not matter if you read it literally or metaphorically. I don't care how you interpret the Bible. I am pointing out that what you're interpreting is not the autographs. So you reading something that is not PURE to the autographs. It does not matter how you interpret it as long as you realize your interpreting something that is not PURE to the autographs.

then what is the point in argueing over the text?

Any/all..

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I don't trust the content of the Bible. I merely agree with a few things. God's existence. Christ as savior. These are by choice cus neither of them can be proven to exist or to have existed. The reason I believe in them is solely because of revelation and dejavu... Granted both revelation and dejavu can be explained by Science... I just simply choose to be faithful.

WRT to this thread, so I don't get suspended. As I've stated before, The scripture in the Bible is derived from many different authors that span many millennia of time. Just as what another posted earlier in this thread, a lot of scripture was probably passed down by word of mouth. Then eventually it was written down by people that didn't have the entirety of the story just like in the game of phone. When you communicate a message to a friend, that message is passed through the people and eventually that message has changed when you hear it via the grapevine. This has happened with the Bible. The message is undoubtedly different than its autographs which were written, most likely, centuries after its origin. Then eventually it was copied in the form of manuscripts which is what we read in our time. However, these manuscripts were hand copied for millenia before they reached our time, plenty of time for change to occur. Then sometime in the 1500's a printing press was built, the scriptures were organized already(via culture) and so it was printed in the form of a book(even though its books).

In my opinion its safe to say that God is a for sure part of the message that existed through millenia of time. Its also reasonable to say Jesus Christ was a significant enough figure in these stories to have been preserved to some degree. As to what stigmata to assign to either of these figures I assume love just simply because its logical to presume that is part of the message as well. Things like laws though or regulations these are definately going to change over time with culture. So all that part of the Bible is for sure just crap.. Stuff like end of the world scnenarios seem ludicrus to me. Typically prophecies like seen in revelations are crap. These prophecies are simply to broad to say a phophecy is being fullfilled.. You need something specific. The world is going to turn yellow on 2015. LOL. That is pretty specific. Those are the kinda prophecies I like to see cus in 2015 we can test it. Anything else is just hogwash superstition.

This is reality, come back to it.....

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You have a call log that is provided by your phone company that lists the phone number and duration of the call. All you gotta do is check. I don't find this being a good example of when "god speaks to your mind" if that is what your refering to above.

Your a Christian and are unaware of what a revelation is? When you pray and the prayer seemingly is answered, when you get what you ask for? Ofcourse this typically only applies when your asking for things that are truely needed and of course it can't affect the will of another. I would agree it could be a coincidence except that it happens or I should say has happened a lot in my life.

A dejavu is simply when your are someplace, with friends, family or even people you don't know which would make it more interesting and all of a sudden while the event is happening, you seemingly remember it happening before... The question is how can this be? Especially since time only moves in 1 direction...... Course I believe there is a psychological answer to this phenomena but I believe it's purely speculation over it being an educated guess...

-Actually it is unknown how many authors there are in the Bible. Take for example the book of Genesis. It is only Jewish tradition that Moses wrote it, however, it is also clear that it was written by many people(compare G1 and G2). There is no concrete evidence that Moses wrote it either.(this is just 1 example)

-The Bible spans millenia earlier than 1500 years ago or so, or 500ce, much earlier.

-40 plus generations only takes us to approximately 10ce(around the time of the stories of Christ). Not early enough.

-I believe the Bible is known world wide.

-I believe the Bible is in all common languages. So really 3(30) or more.

Some evidence to consider is, are there earlier stories that are similiar to the stories in the Bible? The answer is Yes. An example would be with the book of Genesis and its creation stories(2x). There are stories from other cultures that are very similiar to that of the creation story in the Bible which date earlier than the creation story in the Bible. The point, there probably is cross cultural mixing of atleast 1 story in the Bible(other examples, refer to the epic of Gilgamesh and compare that to the flood stories in the Bible or the Code of Hammurabi and compare that to the 10 comandments in the Bible). Which is evidence to presume it occured many times. Another point is, writing developed fairly early yes but we have no idea when the creation stories began to develope atleast I don't. The point being, language developed long before writing and as such, I am sure these stories were being talked about prior to writing. Especially since writing originally developed from a form of simply financial record keeping. It was simply not until centuries after writing had developed that it was used for scripture. Writing simply had to develope to the point to where it could have been used for scripture and so on... You also have to take into account that there were not many who were literate either.

First thing, you don't have to have the original message to play telephone. Try to be objective.

You're wrong again, all people are known for playing telephone with any story that is available. You must not be a social person.

Jesus speaking in Aramic is a moot point. Aramic had to exist as a language prior to Jesus in order for him to be able to speak it fluently. As such, there are plenty of people that could have played telephone that spoke Aramic before and after.

You really need to be a little more objective.

This is a good example of scrambling and it reinforces my point. Your estimation of 98% is an approximation that has some bad variables involved to equal the original sum. You need to do the actual math with the actual veriables. Count the amount of words that are in the Bible. Then count the amount of errors that are known in the Bible. You could start with the english translation however to get a better picture you really need to be reading the original languages or the manuscripts. Then you simply divide errors by the total number. Keeep in mind that how many errors there are in the Bible is not even agreed upon by people. Some agree that 99% of the Bible is error prone. Some agree that 99% of the Bible is not error prone. Do the math your self. Get counting.

Actually first thing, to conclude that nobody has read the manuscripts and concluded that there are errors in the manuscripts you first have to know all the people involved in this process(just compare G1 to G2). You don't. Another thing, The media only covers what money pays for so do your self a favor and stop trusting them. Now that your informed, do your self another favor and follow the evidence that you can follow your self. The links I provided in my prior post give you that chance. The only conclusion that I come to after realizing the evidence that I can follow, as posted in the links, is that the Bible is prone to errors. Especially when you consider all the different interpretations of man. I mean, how many biblical churches are there today?

Read all ten commandments. There is really only two commandments that are actually worthy laws. Don't kill and don't steal. The rest of the 10 commandments are just honor this honor that bla bla... or doing this is a bad idea or doing that is a bad idea.... Take for example(lets go back in time) don't lie. What would happen if Nazi' came to your Christian home asking if you have seen any Jews and you have Jews living down stairs in the basement? They threatened to kill you if you didn't tell them the truth. Should you lie or say hey I got some Jews downstairs...? I would lie so the jews could live but is this really a sin?

Look man. We exist in a plane of time. We are all in this boat. We look around in the world trying to figure out if there is a purpose or not. Everything affects who we are and what we believe. Everything from Religion to Science. Even this discussion is affecting who you are because it is an experience. The reality is simple, biblical scripture is but one ancient text to refer to when it comes to faith. As such, to be honest, none of the ancient texts congrue on a end time scenario. They are all slightly different with differing time periods for end time dates.

I also want to make the other point I was making earlier, there are no prophecies that exist that I know of, from Nostrodamus, Mayan, Islam, Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddism or even Africian faiths that predict exact dates for events with specific results. All prophecies are broad not specific. This gives all prophecies room to be right and wrong during any event. It just depends how you interpret them. Interpretation is key when reading prophecies.......

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2012.. dun dun dun...

Are you saying that gentiles don't research? In fact its the opposite. Typically it is the Christians that don't do the research because they presume goddidit. The difference between fundies and scientists is that scientists study fundies Uhhdy(goddidit).

The authors of the Bible do not all agree with each other. You have facts and then you have the interpreters. The facts are in the Bible written by the authors, its called scripture... The interpreters are people like you and I. I guarantee you as we interpret biblical scripture that we are not going to agree with what it says, in fact there is much argument among scholars just due to personal belief structure per scholar(money can even affect their views or atleast what is reported to the mainstream public...) Your predisposition is false.

Another thing, your link is simply a definition, it does not report that there is in fact a congruence between authors in the Bible.

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