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Topic: Wingnuts Praying for Obama's Death
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hooah212002
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Message 1 of 124 (547035)
02-15-2010 10:11 PM
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Sign me up for this god fella straight away!
Pastor Wiley Drake kicked off this Presidents’ Day Weekend with an email blast to his supporters saying Imprecatory Prayer is now our DUTY and announcing a daily teleconference call to advance the cause. Drake has been an enthusiastic advocate of imprecatory prayer since he announced that God answered his call with the murder of Kansas abortion clinic doctor George Tiller in church last May. George Tiller was far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler, Drake said at the time, so I am happy. I am glad that he is dead. This emboldened him to add the usurper that is in the White House B. Hussein Obama to the list said in his church on Sundays. I’m known as a birther, you know. I don’t believe Obama was born in this country. He’s an illegal alien and so forth, Wiley told me, matter-of-factly. And so I began to pray what the Bible teaches us to pray and that is imprecatory prayer. An imprecatory prayer is very strong. Imprecatory prayer in Psalms 109, for example, says if you have an evil leader above you, you pray that Satan will stand by his side and you ask God to make his children fatherless and his wife a widow and that his time in office be short Other Psalms say when they speak evil, God will break out their teeth and when they run to do destruction God will break their legs. To those offended by the idea of praying for death, Wiley shrugs. I’m praying the word of God. I didn’t write it. Don’t get mad at me. Jesus loves.
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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 2 of 124 (547036)
02-15-2010 10:12 PM
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From the same article:
But Drake is subtle and even civil compared to the deranged hatemonger who preaches at the Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona: Steven L. Anderson. I hate Barack Obama. You say, well, you just mean you don’t like what he stands for. No, I hate the person. Oh, you mean you just don’t like his policies. No, I hate him I am not going to pray for his good. I am going to pray that he dies and goes to Hell.
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 4 of 124 (547060)
02-16-2010 1:23 AM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Flyer75
02-16-2010 1:11 AM
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Re: Sad
As a believer in Christ, I would/will certainly speak out against this sort of hatred. But christians won't speak out about this, or any other event like this done by fellow christians. Why? Because it's bad press for their religion. They will leave it to non-believers to point it out, then weasle out of it somehow. I'd like to hear Buz or ICANT's take on this. "they aren't true christians."
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 6 of 124 (547063)
02-16-2010 2:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by Meldinoor
02-16-2010 1:54 AM
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Re: Sad
Sure, they may be using their religious beliefs as an excuse for their hatred.. And they get away with it because they hide it behind their religion. Since when did it become acceptable to say such things about the President? You brush it off as "no big deal", "he's just a religious wackjob", but someone from his church has already killed in the name of his god. Is it going to be "no big deal" when they assassinate the President? {ABE} would it be "no big deal" if I went on the news and said exactly the same thing, but didn't hide behind my church? Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 7 of 124 (547064)
02-16-2010 2:13 AM
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This religious whackjob, who is no big deal, tried running for VP of the U.S.. How lovely that would be.
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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 10 of 124 (547069)
02-16-2010 2:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Meldinoor
02-16-2010 2:28 AM
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Re: Sad
As for the congregations quacks like Drake serve, I imagine they've gotta be as weird in the head as he is, and hopefully they do not represent a substantial demographic of religous people. Substantial enough for Dr. Tiller, whom pastor dickface, er Drake, says is glad he is dead I am fully aware that not all christians feel this way. But I don't give 2 shits about those christians. They don't bother me one bit because, *GASP* they keep their religion where it should be: to themselves, in private. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 13 of 124 (547073)
02-16-2010 3:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 11 by Meldinoor
02-16-2010 2:41 AM
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Re: Sad
If you are claiming that all evangelical Christians who wear their beliefs on their sleeves support the murder of doctors, and the assassination of liberal presidents, then be prepared to back up your statement with fact. What? I'm sure glad you are sticking up for these fucks. I never once said anything about lumping ALL of them together, but there IS a large enough demographic for them to be of considerable concern. THEY KILL PEOPLE.
In the real world, there are plenty of door knocking, evangelizing, openly religious people who are not extremists (at least, within the context of this discussion). What is this "real world" you speak of?
You are being paranoid, my friend. No, I'm afraid not. You are just too passive, or you share the same views.
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 14 of 124 (547075)
02-16-2010 3:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 12 by Meldinoor
02-16-2010 2:44 AM
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Re: Sad
I just think Hooah is wrong to smear Christianity for having a few quacks. 1. When did I "smear christianity"? 2. These nutjobs are representing a particular brand of religion which a good chunk of the country I live in, and pay taxes to, also shares. I would understand your P.O.V. if they were practicing a discreet religion with a relatively small demographic, but that is not the case here. Sarah Palin anyone? She is the fundy all the fundies clamour for. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 17 of 124 (547082)
02-16-2010 4:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Meldinoor
02-16-2010 3:35 AM
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Re: Sad
The world where your average churchgoer is not a drooling lunatic off to kill the president. I've already said I am not concerned with "your average churchgoer".
Oh I see. Now I'm an extremist. I, with liberal leanings and pro-choice sentiments, am apparently a murder advocate I don't know, are you? You seem to be making light of this situation.
because I happen to believe that most evangelical Christians are not dangerous (maybe a bit deluded at worst). Refresh my memory: which group is advocating the addition of ID and/or creation "science" in the classroom? Normal everyday chrisitians? Or evangelicals? pastor Drake here is not the first evangelical to pull this kind of shit. While there may be people that are evangelicals and do not subscribe to this hate doctrine, I have yet to see any fundamentalist protestants doing the same.
I thought that was the purpose of this thread, to show how dangerous fundies are by demonstrating an extreme. It is
You claim they are "bad press for [Christianity]", which indeed they would be if every single person saw their actions as an example of Christianity, rather than fundamentalism taken to the extreme. See, here is the thing: this guy said it himself. These words/actions are in the bible. The other denomonations must just just skim past them, or take them with a grain of salt.
While we both may think Sarah Palin is a media whore, and disagree with her on her politics, this is not the kind of fundy we're talking about in this thread. AFAIK, she has not advocated killing doctors or the president. While it might upset you that there are people in this country who hold opposing views, lumping them in with dangerous madmen is hardly fair. I mentioned her because she gives these loonies a voice and a place in politics.
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 19 of 124 (547088)
02-16-2010 5:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Meldinoor
02-16-2010 4:54 AM
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Re: Sad
We both disagree with her politics. You disagree with her because she is a favourite of religious fundies and is one herself. . No. I despise her because she is an ignorant twit. Her religious views just happen to be what one would expect them to be for someone like her (forgive my stereotyping).
You extend this to mean she represents the extreme views of pastor Drake, and other dangerous religious individuals. If this is not so, then I don't see how she pertains to this discussion No, I can't say that she shares the same views as the extremists, as that would be false assertion. She gives these people a leg to stand on. Especially since I've already pointed out that Drake has already tried running for VP last election. Having her in the limelight has made it A-O.K. to be in politics and be ignorant, to be "religion first, politics second".
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 21 of 124 (547131)
02-16-2010 2:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Coragyps
02-16-2010 8:33 AM
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Had people said this same bullshit about "imprecatory prayer" and GW Bush, they would have landed in jail, or at least had a long, uncomfortable interview with the Secret Service. Exactly. Or what if it's someone who doesn't subscribe to the "status quo" religion? What if it were a muslim that said this? Motherfuckers would be up in arms. Christians would say something for sure then.
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Re: Point?
Catholic Church and paedophiles. Wow! They really nipped that problem in the bud! I was listening to a radio program about a journalist who turned atheist after being a born again. He spoke of a pastor who came clean about molesting children to his congregation. They applauded him for his courage. They then named the church after him. This is what made the journalist turn into an atheist.
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Re: Sad
People can say whatever they want, so long as it is not a threat. Religion or irreligion are irrelevant to free speech. We all enjoy it. I agree. However, do these people pray fro things they don't want to happen? Do they pray for things they don't think will come true? It's about as close to a threat as you get without coming out and saying it.
What?!?! Every single president has faced slander in one form or another and most have had threats made against their life. That's the nature of the job, which is why the Secret Service exists. No matter what, as a president, someone, somewhere will despise you to the point of wanting to kill you. I am fully aware that president's get their lives threatened. My qualm here is that these are religious folk. They are SUPPOSED to be the moral ones, are they not? John Q. Whackjob who is a lunatic for lunacy sake....isn't the one trying to set a moral example for the world. Christianity DOES claim that.
It is a big deal, for the Secret Service. The problem is that I suspect you're cherry picking on what appalls you and what doesn't. Do you have any idea how many death threats were made towards President Bush? Is it only an issue when a Christian zealot makes a death threat towards a president you personally like that it becomes a problem? What about a Muslim extremist that threatens a president you don't like? Did you throw a hissy fit for President Bush's would-be assassins or was it no big deal to you? I only recently started giving two shits about the world around me. I didn't pay attention to much outside of my own life until maybe '08. So, no, i didn't "throw a hissy fit" about anything Bush related, because I didn't give a shit. However, as I alluded to earlier, the christian religion is supposed to be held to a higher standard than this. More and more I am learning it's all a mere facade.
Is it only an issue when a Christian zealot makes a death threat towards a president you personally like that it becomes a problem? I am agnostic about our current president.
What about a Muslim extremist that threatens a president you don't like? Sadly, I have come to expect it from the muslim faith, so it wouldn't strike me the same way this does.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 40 of 124 (548123)
02-25-2010 5:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by dronestar
02-25-2010 4:04 PM
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Re: Yeah, truly sad
Tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Iraqis live with war related injuries. For the next couple of CENTURIES, Tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Iraqis will develop cancer or have birth defects due to depleted uranium weapons used by US forces. Over a million innocent Iraqis including women and childen are DEAD, . . . and counting. None of which, of course, were caused by Saddam......
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002
Member (Idle past 822 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: 08-12-2009
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Message 44 of 124 (548241)
02-26-2010 10:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 42 by dronestar
02-26-2010 9:06 AM
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Re: Yeah, truly sad
Or . . . you can continue to live in your delusion that Saddam acted entirely alone. I never said he did. I get it. You are a disgruntled American. You are a hipster. We all get that. What I don't get though, is why you live in America. If it's so terrible, why don't you move somewhere else? Your disdain for U.S. ways is similar to that of the same people we are blaming for flying planes into the Twin Towers. Surely you would prefer to live somewhere else, yes?
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws." -Carl Sagan
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